German election results .. the end of limit free autobahns?
Discussion
https://www.ft.com/content/5b7b9604-0f79-4ce8-8116...
Results are now coming in for the election that follows the end of Mutti’s reign
So far it looks like a shift to the left is possible with a socialist/green coalition
Whatever it looks like it’s a big moment for the future direction of Europe
Potentially higher taxes, more spending and a maximum 130k/ph speed limit
Results are now coming in for the election that follows the end of Mutti’s reign
So far it looks like a shift to the left is possible with a socialist/green coalition
Whatever it looks like it’s a big moment for the future direction of Europe
Potentially higher taxes, more spending and a maximum 130k/ph speed limit
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2021/08/12/what...
Interesting times .. EU taxes, EU Army and QMV and much closer intergration towards a Federal Europe
Interesting times .. EU taxes, EU Army and QMV and much closer intergration towards a Federal Europe
Tannedbaldhead said:
Yes Both the Greens and SPD have it as a manifesto pledge Earthdweller said:
a maximum 130k/ph speed limit
I hear this claim a few times a year, every year for the last 30 years.Keeps getting talked about, never happens.
The average autobahn speed is about 150 kmh and rises by
a small amount every year.
It would cost the German economy too much time lost, for negligble gains.
Most deaths on the road are on non-autobahn roads.
It would require most voters and tax payers to slow down. It will never happen.
Earthdweller said:
Is this confusing mess really any better than the lack of choice of our 'two party' system?PBCD said:
Earthdweller said:
Is this confusing mess really any better than the lack of choice of our 'two party' system?dcb said:
I hear this claim a few times a year, every year for the last 30 years.
Keeps getting talked about, never happens.
The average autobahn speed is about 150 kmh and rises by
a small amount every year.
It would cost the German economy too much time lost, for negligble gains.
Most deaths on the road are on non-autobahn roads.
It would require most voters and tax payers to slow down. It will never happen.
As expected, it didn't happen.Keeps getting talked about, never happens.
The average autobahn speed is about 150 kmh and rises by
a small amount every year.
It would cost the German economy too much time lost, for negligble gains.
Most deaths on the road are on non-autobahn roads.
It would require most voters and tax payers to slow down. It will never happen.
https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/german-expat-ne...
speedy_thrills said:
When I lived in Germany I generally didn't drive flat out, even on unrestricted sections of autobahn in ideal conditions, because driving with the throttle open really crushes fuel economy even in a hatchback.
I briefly hit 160mph but my goodness, the horizon was approaching too quickly for my brain to process. So dropped back to a very slow feeling 120.speedy_thrills said:
driving with the throttle open really crushes fuel economy even in a hatchback.
Agreed. Anything close to wide open throttle (WOT) in a small engined car will crush fuel economy.Medium sized engines in cars, with appropriate gearing, so the engine is in it's comfort zone,
won't affect fuel consumption so much.
This has been discussed many times here over the years, but close to linear results are
possible, if you don't get too keen with the loud pedal. Mere high speed is fine, acceleration is
what kills fuel economy.
Nice to have the choice of time versus petrol consumption in Germany. No such choice in the UK.
This suggests to the contrary:
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fue...
i.e. bigger, heavier, less aero cars benefit most from lower speeds.
I'm no scientist but I'd have thought that the basic laws of physics mean that increasing speed is the main factor in increasing fuel consumption. If not, why are racing cyclists absolutely obsessed with aerodynamics?
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fue...
i.e. bigger, heavier, less aero cars benefit most from lower speeds.
I'm no scientist but I'd have thought that the basic laws of physics mean that increasing speed is the main factor in increasing fuel consumption. If not, why are racing cyclists absolutely obsessed with aerodynamics?
dcb said:
speedy_thrills said:
driving with the throttle open really crushes fuel economy even in a hatchback.
Agreed. Anything close to wide open throttle (WOT) in a small engined car will crush fuel economy.Medium sized engines in cars, with appropriate gearing, so the engine is in it's comfort zone,
won't affect fuel consumption so much.
This has been discussed many times here over the years, but close to linear results are
possible, if you don't get too keen with the loud pedal. Mere high speed is fine, acceleration is
what kills fuel economy.
Nice to have the choice of time versus petrol consumption in Germany. No such choice in the UK.
I admire your optimism.
Your science, not so much.
oyster said:
Great version of man maths right there!
I admire your optimism.
Your science, not so much.
I thought you might say that. Have a look at the graphs in here.I admire your optimism.
Your science, not so much.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/fuel_cons...
Ok the numbers over 120 mph are a bit punitive, but the lines look
close to linear to me in any practical autobahn cruising speed - say
80 to 120 mph.
The very fact that about 10% of the autobahn traffic is doing over
110 mph, according to the traffic ministry, rather implies it's a practical
choice for some, not everyone.
Never mind using a bit more petrol, who knows the cost of the time saved ?
The Germans have a choice, the Brits don't.
Anybody who has spent time on the autobahns will tell you that the reality isn’t long haul high speed cruising. It is (at best) interrupted periods of high speed, meaning quite a lot of that time being under acceleration getting back upto speed.
In truth, I mostly just enjoyed gentler cruising at 100mph roof down and travelling at night when it was quiet and you could sustain a high speed run. It made doing long hauls much easier.
In truth, I mostly just enjoyed gentler cruising at 100mph roof down and travelling at night when it was quiet and you could sustain a high speed run. It made doing long hauls much easier.
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