UK pandemic worst public health failure ever
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Indeed it was.
The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. Now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. Now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 12th October 06:33
I'm not sure that we can yet determine whether the government's response was good or bad. Certainly from the lens of today, the article is pretty much on the money but I think only history will determine the scale of ineptitude or the wonder of abundant foresight - or something in between.
The economy doesn't seem currently to be the catastrophe many were predicting - but at what cost? We don't really know at the moment.
And I'm of the opinion that comparing one country's response to another is a pointless exercise. The dynamics are so different in different countries and what works in one place won't necessarily work in another.
The economy doesn't seem currently to be the catastrophe many were predicting - but at what cost? We don't really know at the moment.
And I'm of the opinion that comparing one country's response to another is a pointless exercise. The dynamics are so different in different countries and what works in one place won't necessarily work in another.
JagLover said:
Indeed it was.
The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. No doubt now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
Uk got some right, some wrong, as did most countries. My biggest criticism would be if you’re going to do it do it quick and get it done. So taking lockdowns as an example and not arguing the veracity, dithering prevarication was a feature of the government’s response at many times. Understandable why but not going to hand them brownie points for doing so.The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. No doubt now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 12th October 06:32
roger.mellie said:
Uk got some right, some wrong, as did most countries. My biggest criticism would be if you’re going to do it do it quick and get it done. .
Get what done?The virus isn't going anywhere. New Cases are still running at 30K-40K a day, over eighteen months after it all began. Anyone not infected in March and April 2020 would have simply left more dry tinder for future outbreaks. Perhaps the hospitals would indeed have been "overwhelmed" come January 2021 as they constantly threatened us with.
Lockdown is presented as a "cure" when all it does is create delay.
JagLover said:
Indeed it was.
The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. Now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
Did you know yesterday was Australias (Sydney’s ) end of a 4 month lockdown which was far far harder than U.K. and much much longer. The decision to impose months long lockdowns inflicted massive harm on both the economy and the education of children. Now the dust has settled the MPs are no doubt acknowledging this fact and not just pretending that instituting lockdown ever earlier is a costless magic wand that makes all disease go away........
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 12th October 06:33
JagLover said:
Get what done?
The virus isn't going anywhere. New Cases are still running at 30K-40K a day, over eighteen months after it all began. Anyone not infected in March and April 2020 would have simply left more dry tinder for future outbreaks. Perhaps the hospitals would indeed have been "overwhelmed" come January 2021 as they constantly threatened us with.
Lockdown is presented as a "cure" when all it does is create delay.
As long as there are proper accountability mechanisms in place (debatable with Bozo removing as many as he can get away with) I’m going to trust the gov more than some Facebook page I read on the bog (I don’t have a Facebook account, that’s rhetorical). Yes, it’s a choice on how to manage the fact that a certain percentage of society are going to die and that’s a tough question, but I don’t support the just let it burn respondents.The virus isn't going anywhere. New Cases are still running at 30K-40K a day, over eighteen months after it all began. Anyone not infected in March and April 2020 would have simply left more dry tinder for future outbreaks. Perhaps the hospitals would indeed have been "overwhelmed" come January 2021 as they constantly threatened us with.
Lockdown is presented as a "cure" when all it does is create delay.
On Radio 4 Today programme interesting about it.
One thing they keep saying is firstly there is no single person or group to blame names in the report. There is frankly no point for an inquest as it will yield nothing more.
Will Jaguar lover actually read the 150 page document? (I’ll wager not rather bash anything Tory vs Reading it and getting the factual evidence).
One thing they keep saying is firstly there is no single person or group to blame names in the report. There is frankly no point for an inquest as it will yield nothing more.
Will Jaguar lover actually read the 150 page document? (I’ll wager not rather bash anything Tory vs Reading it and getting the factual evidence).
New evidence is science is exciting new evidence in politics is a U Turn.
Very different.
Govt needed a more scientific way of thinking - same for whole of Westminster.
Result is
Science engineering and economics need to be integral to govt decision making.
Govt do not have a minister for Science and don’t have a minister for Engineering.
Very different.
Govt needed a more scientific way of thinking - same for whole of Westminster.
Result is
Science engineering and economics need to be integral to govt decision making.
Govt do not have a minister for Science and don’t have a minister for Engineering.
Odd how the worst mistakes cost vulnerable lives (the ones they were pretending to save) and taxpayers money and the MP's responsible see themselves fit to judge?
The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
V8covin said:
Lockdown was only implemented to stop hospitals being overwhelmed and I'm pretty sure it succeeded in that respect
Only by cancelling most other treatment and causing who knows how many other deaths by cancelling or delaying those treatments. It could have been handled better. The first lockdown was 2 months after the first cases, and they let mass events go ahead after the WHO declared a pandemic on the 11th March.V8covin said:
Lockdown was only implemented to stop hospitals being overwhelmed and I'm pretty sure it succeeded in that respect
Yup. Oh f
k it I’ll admit to being a former maths nerd. Loving some proper reporting like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-588... and found it hilarious when local tv showed the formulae like some sort of Hollywood series (the hangover?).Now is someone going to buy their tool?
TRIUMPHBULLET said:
Odd how the worst mistakes cost vulnerable lives (the ones they were pretending to save) and taxpayers money and the MP's responsible see themselves fit to judge?
The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
What was tried to get brushed under the carpet is the source of covid 19 - wet market blah blah blah deffo blah blah blah. Don’t look at the Wuhan virology lab no no no blah blah blah The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
When will people focus on this and be vocal online against China and put them to task? I wonder or is it China and Russian bots who just radiate a narrative for the U.K. and West to suck up.
We did better than Australia etc, they just pulled up the drawbridge, then failed to get on with vaccinating, and are now two years behind the curve..
Covid was a poison chalice for those left holding the baby in the UK government.
It would have been only marginally better or worse whoever was in charge.
Covid was a poison chalice for those left holding the baby in the UK government.
It would have been only marginally better or worse whoever was in charge.
Welshbeef said:
TRIUMPHBULLET said:
Odd how the worst mistakes cost vulnerable lives (the ones they were pretending to save) and taxpayers money and the MP's responsible see themselves fit to judge?
The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
What was tried to get brushed under the carpet is the source of covid 19 - wet market blah blah blah deffo blah blah blah. Don’t look at the Wuhan virology lab no no no blah blah blah The world is going mad.
Not one single person will ever be blamed for adding to the financial scandal and not one penny squandered on useless PPE will be recovered.
This will be brushed under the carpet and the ugly lump will be ignored.
When will people focus on this and be vocal online against China and put them to task? I wonder or is it China and Russian bots who just radiate a narrative for the U.K. and West to suck up.
If you do have lab like this, or virus related; why have it in a city and not on an island miles away and have staff on 3 months rotation with a few weeks quarantine at the end of each rotation?
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