Hospitals critical - how common?

[saaby93]

100 people waiting inside and 25 outside in ambulances ( how many do they have?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-589...

Is it common place across europe to have so many waiting this time of year?

[i4got]

saaby93 said:

100 people waiting inside and 25 outside in ambulances ( how many do they have?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-589...

Is it common place across europe to have so many waiting this time of year?

Not sure how commonplace it is across Europe but it seem pretty commonplace to declare critical incidents in that particular hospital trust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-48928...

[ecsrobin]

i4got said:

saaby93 said:

100 people waiting inside and 25 outside in ambulances ( how many do they have?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-589...

Is it common place across europe to have so many waiting this time of year?

Not sure how commonplace it is across Europe but it seem pretty commonplace to declare critical incidents in that particular hospital trust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-48928...

They’re always struggling. As soon as I saw the thread title I thought Cornwall or Wales.

[Electro1980]

anonymous said:

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That would be ok if they had “almost unlimited money” but they don’t.

[V8covin]

Having ambulances and the accompanying staff queuing outside hospitals is a national disgrace

[skwdenyer]

anonymous said:

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And how close are you to understanding that taking a system that was already close to breaking point, adding a pandemic and then throwing money at it isn't going to get you very far.

A national plan to invest properly in health is required, not least because it will help to attract the calibre of staff necessary to make it happen.

But it is more convenient for HMG and friends to blame the NHS

[Driller]

Exactly the same in France and they keep using the “overrun hospital” excuse as a threat and justification for all the ridiculous restrictions.

[Earthdweller]

i4got said:

saaby93 said:

100 people waiting inside and 25 outside in ambulances ( how many do they have?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-589...

Is it common place across europe to have so many waiting this time of year?

Not sure how commonplace it is across Europe but it seem pretty commonplace to declare critical incidents in that particular hospital trust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-48928...

It’s very common in Ireland where the public hospitals are in perpetual crisis and hugely under resourced


As an example:

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/hos...

[Jasandjules]

Every single winter we get this... No shortage of history in the press.... Winter flu, patients in corridors etc.

[Cold]

Yet again Covid is taking precedence over other ailments to the detriment of the patients. Priorities are all askew.

[skwdenyer]

Jasandjules said:

Every single winter we get this... No shortage of history in the press.... Winter flu, patients in corridors etc.

Yup, yet we keep on voting to keep it that way...

[skwdenyer]

Cold said:

Yet again Covid is taking precedence over other ailments to the detriment of the patients. Priorities are all askew.

How so? Would you prefer Covid patients be not treated?

[Ntv]

It's a cult with little accountability. Elevated by politicians and the dopes who bang pans.

Horror story after horror story with patients lives being unnecessarily ended/messed up.

Let's have the forensic analysis on why the Nightingales weren't used, the procedures that led to 30k care home deaths, and the evidence that the NHS was going to be overwhelmed (with a detailed description of what this actually means) at points A, B and C over the past 18 months.

[rscott]

anonymous said:

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Giving A&E unlimited funds won't help though, if there aren't resources in the rest of the hospital - a lot of the issues are that there aren't spaces on the relevant wards to move patients to after initial treatment.
A very long standing problem, made worse by Covid.

[alock]

skwdenyer said:

And how close are you to understanding that taking a system that was already close to breaking point, adding a pandemic and then throwing money at it isn't going to get you very far.

A national plan to invest properly in health is required, not least because it will help to attract the calibre of staff necessary to make it happen.

But it is more convenient for HMG and friends to blame the NHS

What year do you think was the best year for the NHS?

We can then use that year as a model for £/head of population funding, and services offered. We can then all strive towards that as a target.

[Cold]

skwdenyer said:

Cold said:

Yet again Covid is taking precedence over other ailments to the detriment of the patients. Priorities are all askew.

How so? Would you prefer Covid patients be not treated?

It's the over zealous precautions that are a significant driver in treatment delays.

[ecsrobin]

anonymous said:

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Money is not the problem it’s the management of the money that is.

This has nothing to do with covid and has been happening for 6+ years (the amount of time I’ve had professional dealings with them) it’s easy to have ambulances waiting over an hour at Treliske or Derriford no matter the time of year.

[drmike37]

The problem is social care, or more accurately the lack thereof. If you can’t get the oldies you’ve fixed out of hospital then the whole system backs up (quickly).
The visible consequence of this is a queue of yellow buses outside a&e.
Give us somewhere to discharge people, and we’d be ok most of the time.

[PurplePangolin]

alock said:

skwdenyer said:

And how close are you to understanding that taking a system that was already close to breaking point, adding a pandemic and then throwing money at it isn't going to get you very far.

A national plan to invest properly in health is required, not least because it will help to attract the calibre of staff necessary to make it happen.

But it is more convenient for HMG and friends to blame the NHS

What year do you think was the best year for the NHS?

We can then use that year as a model for £/head of population funding, and services offered. We can then all strive towards that as a target.

1947

[skwdenyer]

anonymous said:

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There's nowhere near enough money, however, not by a long chalk.