Armed Terrorists Hijack and then Torch Bus in UK

[redback911]

Armed and masked men hijacked and set fire to a double-decker bus early this morning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/01/bus-hi...

Brexit has led to paramilitary groups becoming active again and violence returning to Northern Ireland.

[46and2]

redback911 said:

Armed and masked men hijacked and set fire to a double-decker bus early this morning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/01/bus-hi...

Brexit has led to paramilitary groups becoming active again and violence returning to Northern Ireland.

I love living in N.I and hate it in equal measure. The place will never change and its really depressing knowing that. The country is run by thugs like this and nobody in politics or police is willing or able to stand up to it or change it.

[redback911]

46and2 said:

I love living in N.I and hate it in equal measure. The place will never change and its really depressing knowing that. The country is run by thugs like this and nobody in politics or police is willing or able to stand up to it or change it.

Totally agree; I really like visiting Belfast and travelling around NI. I'd hate to see a resurgence of violence the people have had enough to deal with in the past. These thugs seem to be able to operate with impunity. There appears to be a general apathy of these events occurring in NI by the British Government, press and public like it's inevitable, and there is nothing we can do about it. We can send troops and police states around the world but cannot stop terrorism in our country.

[Jonathan27]

This is shrugged of as it happened in Northern Ireland. If it had happened in London Manchester of Birmingham, it would be the biggest story of the day.
To me this just underlines the fact that the UK as a whole couldn't care less about NI. Its ironic as these unionists are obsessed by NI being part of the UK, whilst the UK really isn't that interested in them. Its kind of sad really.

[Murph7355]

Jonathan27 said:

This is shrugged of as it happened in Northern Ireland. If it had happened in London Manchester of Birmingham, it would be the biggest story of the day.
To me this just underlines the fact that the UK as a whole couldn't care less about NI. Its ironic as these unionists are obsessed by NI being part of the UK, whilst the UK really isn't that interested in them. Its kind of sad really.

When something has gone on for so long it just gets ignored by people not directly impacted.

Trouble has never gone away in that region. It likely never will.

[Stick Legs]

Should just organise some sort of swap, Scotland's Catholics for Ireland's Protestants.

Then let it go.

Not my words, the conversation my 2nd and 3rd Engineers were having, a Celtic fan from Glasgow and a Belfast Protestant who now lives in Manchester.

[46and2]

Jonathan27 said:

This is shrugged of as it happened in Northern Ireland. If it had happened in London Manchester of Birmingham, it would be the biggest story of the day.
To me this just underlines the fact that the UK as a whole couldn't care less about NI. Its ironic as these unionists are obsessed by NI being part of the UK, whilst the UK really isn't that interested in them. Its kind of sad really.

I'm not going to debate protocols or unionism/nationalism, I don't care enough really. What does annoy me is this, its fact that I'm a UK citizen and its a fact that other citizens of the UK don't have to deal with this crap. I just want to be able to live with the same level of peace and stability as everyone else who shares the title of UK citizen.

Its not fair!!!

[juice]

46and2 said:

I'm not going to debate protocols or unionism/nationalism, I don't care enough really. What does annoy me is this, its fact that I'm a UK citizen and its a fact that other citizens of the UK don't have to deal with this crap. I just want to be able to live with the same level of peace and stability as everyone else who shares the title of UK citizen.

Its not fair!!!

No it's not mate, you have my sympathies that no-one seems to be able to solve the issue.

[MKnight702]

46and2 said:

I'm not going to debate protocols or unionism/nationalism, I don't care enough really. What does annoy me is this, its fact that I'm a UK citizen and its a fact that other citizens of the UK don't have to deal with this crap. I just want to be able to live with the same level of peace and stability as everyone else who shares the title of UK citizen.

Its not fair!!!

The only way to solve it is for all the Northern Irish to pull together and stop supporting/turning a blind eye/ignoring etc. Once the thugs lose their direct and indirect supporters and the public turn against them and actively oppose the general thuggery then, and only then, do you stand a chance of stopping it.

The UK Government cannot impose anything that would make this stop, it can only be done by the general public changing their behaviour.

[mick987]

redback911 said:

Armed and masked men hijacked and set fire to a double-decker bus early this morning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/01/bus-hi...

Brexit has led to paramilitary groups becoming active again and violence returning to Northern Ireland.

Brexit has nothing to do with it, they haven't gone away.

[Ziplobb]

The reason why the Army were sent there is to deal with thugs like this, what other choice does A Goverment have to protect ordinary people from people willing to behave like this ? but politicans decided that the right thing is to leave them to it.

[SeeFive]

Disgusting. Imagine the CO2 released. For goodness sake, won’t they think of the children.

[redback911]

mick987 said:

redback911 said:

Armed and masked men hijacked and set fire to a double-decker bus early this morning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/01/bus-hi...

Brexit has led to paramilitary groups becoming active again and violence returning to Northern Ireland.

Brexit has nothing to do with it, they haven't gone away.

I'll meet you halfway. The paramilitaries did not go away...

...but BBC Northern Ireland reporting claims from loyalists "they had carried out the attack to mark the passing of the 1 November deadline set by the DUP for walking out of the Stormont executive unless major changes to the Northern Ireland protocol had been secured."

[Ian Geary]

My uni flatmate from NI in the 90s explained it was mostly about organised crime: turf wars, protection money, vice, tit for tat voulence by foot soldiers etc. Except the religious zealotry allowed it to get weaponised

The UK had the army over there for decades, and what did it achieve except for a cause for people to rally round against, and keeping the wound of the UK Vs ireland open.

It ebbs and flows with economic prosperity of course, because I guess if the foot soldiers can see a way of making an honest living, then there would be fewer drawn into the cycle.

There's a saying about getting the politicians you deserve, but the system seems so entrenched over there that any new, independent political movement probably would be killed off quite quickly (and that's probably a literal explanation).

Personally I think it needs to wait a few more generations. The worst of the stupidness/atrocities (delete as applicable) by the UK armed services will gradually get forgotten, as will the worst of the paramilitary attoricities.

Coe/RC religion is declining across most of the UK so perhaps that will also become an irrelevance to the vast majority soon?

Brexit is a smoke screen by those that want to dislike brexit, as well as those committing this voilence.

That doesn't let brexit off the hook, as frankly there is no easy solution to have two different trade and regulatory systems sharing a land boarder, but a law not allowing you to have a boarder.

I genuinely think Boris just assumed we could say we'd do all that checking in the Irish sea whilst just ignoring it, and is stumped at the idea the UK is being held to it.

The only solution is for the UK to adopt EU rules (or as near as damnit) their rules to prevent a land boarder (or Irish sea boarder) having to be created

[MKnight702]

Ziplobb said:

The reason why the Army were sent there is to deal with thugs like this, what other choice does A Goverment have to protect ordinary people from people willing to behave like this ? but politicans decided that the right thing is to leave them to it.

This wasn't really a long term solution, all we did was give the thugs a reason to justify their violence, (and occasionally reasonably so) plus it gave the locals an obvious target for their hatred. The solution has to come from within the local community, once they see the thugs for the criminal gangs that they are and realise that this is only hurting the locals then we may see change. However, this could be a long time coming and the fact that the thugs are happy to come round and knock on the door then take a drill to your kneecaps means that the locals have to be extremely brave to stand up to this rather than accept the status quo.