Argentina raising Falklands sovereignty again

[Byker28i]

Argentinas President Alberto Fernández has raised the Falklands again at the United Nations, claiming they are illegally occupied by the UK. Usually this happens for political reasons and Fernández is under pressure for his handling of the coronavirus crisis and rising levels of poverty in Argentina.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/argentina-un...


Quite a good analysis here
https://globalriskinsights.com/2020/10/argentina-a...

[Biggy Stardust]

The UN is big on self determination plus the Falklands have never been Argentine.

They can sod off.

[Murph7355]

Biggy Stardust said:

The UN is big on self determination plus the Falklands have never been Argentine.

They can sod off.

I wonder how supportive the UN will really be towards the UK.

I agree that Argentina can be told to sod off. But I'm doubtful that global support would be all encompassing.

[Biggy Stardust]

Murph7355 said:

I wonder how supportive the UN will really be towards the UK.

I agree that Argentina can be told to sod off. But I'm doubtful that global support would be all encompassing.

We don't need global support- we have typhoons & type 45 destroyers plus submarines. It wouldn't be the surprise it was last time.

[Gecko1978]

Biggy Stardust said:

Murph7355 said:

I wonder how supportive the UN will really be towards the UK.

I agree that Argentina can be told to sod off. But I'm doubtful that global support would be all encompassing.

We don't need global support- we have typhoons & type 45 destroyers plus submarines. It wouldn't be the surprise it was last time.

given the people who live there voted to stay and yeah we have a better military now I think this is all just sounding off nothing to worry about at all

[FNG]

A mate who lives in Argentina has assured me that whenever "the issue of the Maldivas" is raised there it's purely to distract the hard of thinking from negative domestic headlines.

Those who aren't hard of thinking are well aware what the politicians are up to, but it seems to repeatedly fob off enough of the population that it's still worth doing.

[98elise]

Biggy Stardust said:

Murph7355 said:

I wonder how supportive the UN will really be towards the UK.

I agree that Argentina can be told to sod off. But I'm doubtful that global support would be all encompassing.

We don't need global support- we have typhoons & type 45 destroyers plus submarines. It wouldn't be the surprise it was last time.

This. Plus...

1. The Falklands have never been Argentinian.
2. The current inhabitants don't want to be Argentinian.

A country can't just claim another (or part of it) because it's close to them.

[Einion Yrth]

FNG said:

A mate who lives in Argentina has assured me that whenever "the issue of the Maldivas" is raised there it's purely to distract the hard of thinking from negative domestic headlines.

.

Malvinas, mate; the Maldives are in the Indian ocean.

[Murph7355]

Biggy Stardust said:

Murph7355 said:

I wonder how supportive the UN will really be towards the UK.

I agree that Argentina can be told to sod off. But I'm doubtful that global support would be all encompassing.

We don't need global support- we have typhoons & type 45 destroyers plus submarines. It wouldn't be the surprise it was last time.

I totally agree.

It was more a response to the UN being big on self-determination...they are also politicians and they are big on things when it suits

The Argentinians must know that attempting anything militarily down there would be pretty stupid. Political posturing in the extreme.

(Argentina's a great country, and the people I met down there were absolutely fantastic. I also ended up in the Argentinian end for the game against Jamaica in the 1998 World Cup. That was interesting ).

[mmm-five]

98elise said:

This. Plus...

1. The Falklands have never been Argentinian.
2. The current inhabitants don't want to be Argentinian.

A country can't just claim another (or part of it) because it's close to them.

Unless it's China doing the claiming

[FourWheelDrift]

Argentina had a record $57bn bailout from the IMF and it seems more likely that the government will not be able to meet a $2.8bn repayment in March next year.

https://www.ft.com/content/ce0d1647-0bd7-4bb4-b787...

Argentina has been bailed out 21 times in 60 years.

[Psycho Warren]

Murph7355 said:

The Argentinians must know that attempting anything militarily down there would be pretty stupid.

Especially these days as we don't have the resources to do a "traditional" large task force invasion so we would be forced to rely on upping the aggression to maximise effectiveness early on. eg using our submarines to their full ability, sinking ships to deny them use of the sea, and mainland strikes with TLAM to limit the reach of thier airforce from mainland bases. Plus heavy use of force by the air force elements on the islands in the early stages of an attempted invasion.

That is assuming our weak politicians don't go chicken and let an invasion happen to avoid being seen as aggressive on the world stage.

[Puggit]

Einion Yrth said:

Malvinas, mate; the Maldives are in the Indian ocean.

Maldives used to be a British colony once upon time, too.

[Murph7355]

Psycho Warren said:

...
That is assuming our weak politicians don't go chicken and let an invasion happen to avoid being seen as aggressive on the world stage.

The current govt has its faults...but there is no way they would let that happen.

[Ntv]

Psycho Warren said:

Murph7355 said:

The Argentinians must know that attempting anything militarily down there would be pretty stupid.

Especially these days as we don't have the resources to do a "traditional" large task force invasion so we would be forced to rely on upping the aggression to maximise effectiveness early on. eg using our submarines to their full ability, sinking ships to deny them use of the sea, and mainland strikes with TLAM to limit the reach of thier airforce from mainland bases. Plus heavy use of force by the air force elements on the islands in the early stages of an attempted invasion.

That is assuming our weak politicians don't go chicken and let an invasion happen to avoid being seen as aggressive on the world stage.

Yes knocking out the airbases and their navy would be top of the list.

But I like Argentina, and it's just balls to deflect.

[JagLover]

98elise said:

This. Plus...

1. The Falklands have never been Argentinian.
2. The current inhabitants don't want to be Argentinian.

A country can't just claim another (or part of it) because it's close to them.

It isn't even that close to them.

It is like the UK claiming Iceland because it is "nearby" and a British fishing boat was based there in the early nineteenth century

[Byker28i]

JagLover said:

98elise said:

This. Plus...

1. The Falklands have never been Argentinian.
2. The current inhabitants don't want to be Argentinian.

A country can't just claim another (or part of it) because it's close to them.

It isn't even that close to them.

It is like the UK claiming Iceland because it is "nearby" and a British fishing boat was based there in the early nineteenth century

I've been to the Museum in Stanley earlier this year which has the history and rebukes the argentinian claim that a civilian population was expelled by Britain in 1833 because they were an illegal military garrison.
Falkland Government has a good explanation.
https://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-governance/relat...

I'd imagine they'll start trying to impact the Falklands Ialands trade again, the fishing, especiallly squid.

[FNG]

Einion Yrth said:

FNG said:

A mate who lives in Argentina has assured me that whenever "the issue of the Maldivas" is raised there it's purely to distract the hard of thinking from negative domestic headlines.

.

Malvinas, mate; the Maldives are in the Indian ocean.

Mean know what to I fine type, wrong came letters out.

[FourWheelDrift]

They actually are Mal Divas in Argentina

[85Carrera]

FNG said:

Mean know what to I fine type, wrong came letters out.

that's cleared that up then