Is Russia gearing up to invade the Ukraine?

[jmn]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...
America seems to be worried about this but I do wonder what military steps they would take if there was any incursion.

[LimaDelta]

More clashes near Dokuchaevsk this morning. 13 ceasefire violations yesterday. Certainly one to watch closely at the moment. Can't imagine the US will do anything.

[poo at Paul's]

jmn said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...
America seems to be worried about this but I do wonder what military steps they would take if there was any incursion.

None

[46and2]

There is nothing the US/NATO can do militarily without widening the conflict.

[Biggy Stardust]

46and2 said:

There is nothing the US/NATO can do militarily without widening the conflict.

AIUI Ukraine is outside NATO territory.

Article 6 of the treaty iapplies.

[Murph7355]

poo at Paul's said:

jmn said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...
America seems to be worried about this but I do wonder what military steps they would take if there was any incursion.

None

Ie the same as last time (did they ever uninvade? ).

[46and2]

Biggy Stardust said:

AIUI Ukraine is outside NATO territory.

Article 6 of the treaty iapplies.

I mention NATO because Ukraine aspires to membership, the US is an ally of Ukraine, the US is part of NATO.

[Earthdweller]

46and2 said:

Biggy Stardust said:

AIUI Ukraine is outside NATO territory.

Article 6 of the treaty iapplies.

I mention NATO because Ukraine aspires to membership, the US is an ally of Ukraine, the US is part of NATO.

Didn’t the USA sign a treaty to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression back in the 90’s as part of the Nuclear armament reduction talks in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear Arsenal ?

[46and2]

Earthdweller said:

Didn’t the USA sign a treaty to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression back in the 90’s as part of the Nuclear armament reduction talks in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear Arsenal ?

I think that treaty has already failed, sure it was only a memo anyway.

Edited by 46and2 on Friday 12th November 10:45

[theboss]

Earthdweller said:

46and2 said:

Biggy Stardust said:

AIUI Ukraine is outside NATO territory.

Article 6 of the treaty iapplies.

I mention NATO because Ukraine aspires to membership, the US is an ally of Ukraine, the US is part of NATO.

Didn’t the USA sign a treaty to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression back in the 90’s as part of the Nuclear armament reduction talks in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear Arsenal ?

Not quite as simple or as obligating as that. Note the UK was also a signatory, not just the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_...

Wikipedia said:

According to the memorandum, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they would:

• Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
• Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
• Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to influence their politics.
• Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
• Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
• Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

[46and2]

Russia has broken the first three, nothing has been done about it.