NHS clinics for obese children

[272BHP]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/16/nh...

NHS mission creep again?

Must be loads of excess funds sloshing around the system if they can afford things like this.

[thewarlock]

272BHP said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/16/nh...

NHS mission creep again?

Must be loads of excess funds sloshing around the system if they can afford things like this.

Perhaps they've figured out that a bit of cheap education now can save a lot of expensive treatment later on?

[ecs]

Diabetes is a fking expensive disease to treat and once you go blind/loose a foot you're not going to be working much or paying a lot of tax.

[Challo]

thewarlock said:

272BHP said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/16/nh...

NHS mission creep again?

Must be loads of excess funds sloshing around the system if they can afford things like this.

Perhaps they've figured out that a bit of cheap education now can save a lot of expensive treatment later on?

Exactly. I suspect the cost to set these up is small fry compared to the costs to treat obese adults in later life.

[pavarotti1980]

272BHP said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/16/nh...

NHS mission creep again?

Must be loads of excess funds sloshing around the system if they can afford things like this.

Front load prevention and the longer term is cheaper if children take heed of the education.

I really don't understand why you think prevention of life long diseases which cost an absolute fortune to treat is mission creep? I guess things like breast screening, bowel screening, cervical screening are also mission creep too

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 16th November 10:48

[Murph7355]

Assuming they aren't, why aren't they doing the same thing for the under-nourished kids? This is *all* about parents not looking after their kids properly, and the answer is the same in both cases - education, at least initially.

I guess it's not as easy to point the finger of poverty at this one, but the primary root cause is the same.

[Donbot]

I thought we were fighting a war on covid.

They should either be sorting that out, or telling the government to stop threatening the population.

Edit - Thinking about it why don't the government just put restrictions on fat kids? Stop them from seeing friends / family / having any fun etc. until they've stopped being fat.

Edited by Donbot on Tuesday 16th November 11:07

[anonymous-user]

Donbot said:

I thought we were fighting a war on covid.

They should either be sorting that out, or telling the government to stop threatening the population.

Edit - Thinking about it why don't the government just put restrictions on fat kids? Stop them from seeing friends / family / having any fun etc. until they've stopped being fat.

Edited by Donbot on Tuesday 16th November 11:07

Not sure if serious.

[Murph7355]

Lord Marylebone said:

Donbot said:

I thought we were fighting a war on covid.

They should either be sorting that out, or telling the government to stop threatening the population.

Edit - Thinking about it why don't the government just put restrictions on fat kids? Stop them from seeing friends / family / having any fun etc. until they've stopped being fat.

Edited by Donbot on Tuesday 16th November 11:07

Not sure if serious.

I suspect he may be, sadly.

[pquinn]

thewarlock said:

a bit of cheap education

You can bet it won't be cheap.

And if we're talking education why don't we do this through schools where all the kids already are anyway? Surely cheaper to do it that way?

[Pixelpeep 135]

bit like the argument to legalise drugs and use a fraction of the billions which will be generated in tax to pay for better education and awareness so less people get started in the first place.

Then - let's get all the places that sell alcohol to pay in to the local services (police/nhs/fire) to cover the excess drain on those resources.

Let's then introduce a tapered tax that companies are not allowed to pass on to the customer for salt and sugar content in their products, which then gets passed to the NHS to cover the drain they cause.

[untakenname]

The parents should have their child benefits cut as it's shoddy parenting that leads to childhood obesity, also the unhealthy children should have their free travel passes revoked unless they go a set number of stops on a bus as I see so many fat kids getting on the bus for only a couple of stops.

[Sticks.]

Murph7355 said:

Assuming they aren't, why aren't they doing the same thing for the under-nourished kids? This is *all* about parents not looking after their kids properly, and the answer is the same in both cases - education, at least initially.

I guess it's not as easy to point the finger of poverty at this one, but the primary root cause is the same.

Indeed, a parenting issue. And identifying what has changed in the last 40/50 years to bring this about.

Shocking that the programme includes children as young as 2.

[272BHP]

I have great reservations that intervention at that stage would make a blind bit of difference though - might help a few but certainly not the many.

I think money would be better spent on healthier school dinners. I am a great believer that all school meals should be free and should contain no junk whatsoever. Yes that would cost a fortune but if it introduces kids to what proper food is then there are benefits there that could last a lifetime.

[Murph7355]

272BHP said:

I have great reservations that intervention at that stage would make a blind bit of difference though - might help a few but certainly not the many.

I think money would be better spent on healthier school dinners. I am a great believer that all school meals should be free and should contain no junk whatsoever. Yes that would cost a fortune but if it introduces kids to what proper food is then there are benefits there that could last a lifetime.

Kids spend far more time out of school than in it.

IMO, and to an extent IME, all that would happen is that kids will simply "not like" school dinners and won't eat them to the degree they eat whatever it is that they are getting at home.

I doubt any school is giving kids large amounts of chocolate, Haribos, McDs, Pot Noodles, Cola, Lucozade etc etc etc. Parents and family are.

As with any type of malnutrition, the issue is the parents.

[Psycho Warren]

Kids needing to attend such clinics should be under a social services investigation for parental abuse.

Kids don't get obese accidentally - poor parenting at best, more likely neglect and letting them eat what they want when they want with weak parents lacking the courage to discipline the kids and control their eating/make them do exercise.

[roger.mellie]

Psycho Warren said:

Kids needing to attend such clinics should be under a social services investigation for parental abuse.

Kids don't get obese accidentally - poor parenting at best, more likely neglect and letting them eat what they want when they want with weak parents lacking the courage to discipline the kids and control their eating/make them do exercise.

Bollix. Fat kids are not evidence of poor parenting or neglect. Is the view good up there on that high horse? (I have no kids and have never been fat before you start on that).

I dislike that all government motivated health care and lack of health care has to be branded as NHS rather than HMG. The government taking proactive action is a good thing but it being NHS implementing it gives the haters another wedge issue to push on.

[WestyCarl]

roger.mellie said:

Psycho Warren said:

Kids needing to attend such clinics should be under a social services investigation for parental abuse.

Kids don't get obese accidentally - poor parenting at best, more likely neglect and letting them eat what they want when they want with weak parents lacking the courage to discipline the kids and control their eating/make them do exercise.

Bollix. Fat kids are not evidence of poor parenting or neglect. Is the view good up there on that high horse? (I have no kids and have never been fat before you start on that)..

So what is it then? Parents have control over their kids food and activity habits.

[IJWS15]

Pointless waste of money unless you change the parents' behaviour.

The NHS are best in class at wasting money.

[roger.mellie]

WestyCarl said:

So what is it then? Parents have control over their kids food and activity habits.

They have some control, not total control, unless they’re the parents from hell.