Channel crossing deaths
Discussion
Carl_Manchester said:
It's awful. I hope their deaths won't be in vain and it will drive debate and change.
Indeed it is although I also agree with Vasco above.I am not entirely convinced that it will drive debate and change sadly.
I suspect that there will be a lot of platitudes from politicians on both sides of the channel but in reality nothing will change and more people will die trying to cross.
Btw I have no idea as to how to solve the problem
Let’s hope the French authorities trace and prosecute everybody involved in this horrifically abusive trafficking, including the local police who have recently been pictured watching these boats get loaded and set sail.
But no doubt it’ll be whitewashed over and none of the gangs will be traced or dealt with.
But no doubt it’ll be whitewashed over and none of the gangs will be traced or dealt with.
poo at Paul's said:
Let’s hope the French authorities trace and prosecute everybody involved in this horrifically abusive trafficking, including the local police who have recently been pictured watching these boats get loaded and set sail.
But no doubt it’ll be whitewashed over and none of the gangs will be traced or dealt with.
The French always appear to have little interest and, presumably, are happy to see them leave their country. If we intercept them at sea they are usually brought to the UK.But no doubt it’ll be whitewashed over and none of the gangs will be traced or dealt with.
Just how is this supposed to be resolved?
Vasco said:
Inevitable given the volumes and poor safety.
Unfortunately is was always inevitable as you say. 
I'm actually surprised it didn't occur sooner.Until the French stop facilitating these people smuggling operations more will die.Stopping people getting onto boats will benefit the French and fewer migrants will be try to get into France and use France as a pass-through route.
I know there's other threads on this issue.
I am surprised there haven't been more deaths up to this point tbh
Ie compared to the med a few years ago, when deaths were being regularly tallied by the press (numbers might have been more though)
Obviously it's tragic, but I did think it would need to take something like this to make the French (and by extension the EU) to take this problem seriously.
The calls for safe routes into the UK for those wanting it will also be louder of course.
I am surprised there haven't been more deaths up to this point tbh
Ie compared to the med a few years ago, when deaths were being regularly tallied by the press (numbers might have been more though)
Obviously it's tragic, but I did think it would need to take something like this to make the French (and by extension the EU) to take this problem seriously.
The calls for safe routes into the UK for those wanting it will also be louder of course.
Vasco said:
How do they keep getting so many boats/inflatables ?
I read an article that said that there was a manufacturing plant in Turkey owned by the people smugglers. They are produced to their specification, in a certain dark colour. I would think also made to the cheapest price. Can anything actually be done to prevent this sort of thing because I would guess most of these people want to get into the country under the radar. Any kind of government sanctioned scheme which doesn't involve allowing them to disappear into the countryside probably wouldn't be of much interest. I suspect they'd rather take their chances in The Channel before rocking up at cousin Abduls place rather than end up in some immigration centre for however long with the inherent risk of being sent back to France.
jurbie said:
Can anything actually be done to prevent this sort of thing because I would guess most of these people want to get into the country under the radar. Any kind of government sanctioned scheme which doesn't involve allowing them to disappear into the countryside probably wouldn't be of much interest. I suspect they'd rather take their chances in The Channel before rocking up at cousin Abduls place rather than end up in some immigration centre for however long with the inherent risk of being sent back to France.
I suspect the only solution is sadly more deaths to the point it deters people from taking the risk. There’s got to be a better solution of sharing the burden of migration across all nations but you’re never going to get multiple countries to agree. I see in the papers this week Sweden are having a U turn on their views of migration.
jurbie said:
Can anything actually be done to prevent this sort of thing because I would guess most of these people want to get into the country under the radar. Any kind of government sanctioned scheme which doesn't involve allowing them to disappear into the countryside probably wouldn't be of much interest. I suspect they'd rather take their chances in The Channel before rocking up at cousin Abduls place rather than end up in some immigration centre for however long with the inherent risk of being sent back to France.
Quite simply removing the incentive to ensure that nobody ever gains the right to live in the UK through illegal entry.
Quite simply removing the incentive to ensure that nobody ever gains the right to live in the UK through illegal entry.
ecsrobin said:
jurbie said:
Can anything actually be done to prevent this sort of thing because I would guess most of these people want to get into the country under the radar. Any kind of government sanctioned scheme which doesn't involve allowing them to disappear into the countryside probably wouldn't be of much interest. I suspect they'd rather take their chances in The Channel before rocking up at cousin Abduls place rather than end up in some immigration centre for however long with the inherent risk of being sent back to France.
I suspect the only solution is sadly more deaths to the point it deters people from taking the risk. There’s got to be a better solution of sharing the burden of migration across all nations but you’re never going to get multiple countries to agree. I see in the papers this week Sweden are having a U turn on their views of migration.
williamp said:
I think it is fair to ask: why are they taking such a risk (the channel in winter is no place for small boats)? What are they bring told by the traffickers? Why are they not happy in mainland europe, and want to take this massive, dangerous risk?
They believe the UK is all milk and honey, benefits etc - promoted by the smugglers.I tend to agree with the view that claims for future residence in the UK should normally be refused to anyone entering the country illegally.
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