Drug Users to have their lives “interfered with”.
Discussion
I’ve found links to this story from both Guardian and Wail, so everyone has something to click:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/05/u...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10276767/...
The summary of the idea is that penalties for drug users, especially affluent drug users is little more than a slap on the wrist. The people taking the drugs are funding misery and crime and seem to face zero realistic penalty. This proposed policy would see their passports and/or driving licences being taken away from them for a period of time instead (or perhaps with) a conventional fine.
Seems rather smart to me. If you make use deeply unattractive (i.e. you can’t leave the country for 5 years after being done for possession), then it may have more of an impact. Insurance would be a fun prospect after a year’s ban for drug use.
IMO they either just legalise the lot, or implement realistic penalties. They seem to be going down the latter route. I’d extend it to every banned substance, this Class A rubbish is ridiculous, the stuff is either illegal or its not.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/05/u...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10276767/...
The summary of the idea is that penalties for drug users, especially affluent drug users is little more than a slap on the wrist. The people taking the drugs are funding misery and crime and seem to face zero realistic penalty. This proposed policy would see their passports and/or driving licences being taken away from them for a period of time instead (or perhaps with) a conventional fine.
Seems rather smart to me. If you make use deeply unattractive (i.e. you can’t leave the country for 5 years after being done for possession), then it may have more of an impact. Insurance would be a fun prospect after a year’s ban for drug use.
IMO they either just legalise the lot, or implement realistic penalties. They seem to be going down the latter route. I’d extend it to every banned substance, this Class A rubbish is ridiculous, the stuff is either illegal or its not.
Excellent.
I know 2 people who are holier than thou types.
Attend Extinction Rebellion ‘die ins’.
Vegetarians ‘for the planet’.
Black lives matter T-Shirt.
Refugees Welcome Here! Poster in their kitchen.
Like a line of charlie once in a while & smoke weed in their hot tub.
The absolute living embodiment of hipster hypocrisy!
Unless you grow weed in your garden for your own consumption there are no ‘consequence free’ recreational drugs, and coke has a particularly unpleasant hinterland.
I know 2 people who are holier than thou types.
Attend Extinction Rebellion ‘die ins’.
Vegetarians ‘for the planet’.
Black lives matter T-Shirt.
Refugees Welcome Here! Poster in their kitchen.
Like a line of charlie once in a while & smoke weed in their hot tub.
The absolute living embodiment of hipster hypocrisy!
Unless you grow weed in your garden for your own consumption there are no ‘consequence free’ recreational drugs, and coke has a particularly unpleasant hinterland.
rxe said:
IMO they either just legalise the lot, or implement realistic penalties. They seem to be going down the latter route. I’d extend it to every banned substance, this Class A rubbish is ridiculous, the stuff is either illegal or its not.
Absolutely. In fact why not just go the whole hog - anyone found smoking a spliff or in possession of a small quantity of cannabis for personal use gets shot on the spot. Then you could extend it to all other laws. 21mph in a 20 zone - BANG!I’m fully in favour of the middle class drug users being given more than a slap on the wrist, it’s a particularly unpleasant phenomenon.
However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
TT1138 said:
I’m fully in favour of the middle class drug users being given more than a slap on the wrist, it’s a particularly unpleasant phenomenon.
However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
True.However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
But punishments that fit the crime haven’t worked in this case.
For decades people have felt able to use drugs like cocaine with virtual impunity knowing that the poor kid who supplied it will get done & they would be very unlucky indeed to be caught out.
If you want the punishment to fit the crime making it mandatory that they stand up & give a anti drugs lecture at their work place & their children’s school would be such a horrifying concept that middle class drug use would probably stop overnight!
I do sympathies with the authorities on this one.
Cutting off the supply is impossible while demand remains.
It’s illegal. Deter the user is the only way.
These middle class cocaine users can organise a PTA raffle, let them organise an coherent argument for legalisation.
We live in a democracy.
So is Boris going to be revoking his own driving licence and passport and Goves? 
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If they want to crack down on middle class drug use, I imagine their own backbenches would be a good place to start, which it seems like they’re trying to make a show of doing.
Personally I think it’s a bit of an odd proposal, to take away a passport/driving licence which has not had anything to do with the offence committed (obviously if they were caught behind the wheel then ban them).
I don’t do drugs, I did a bit when I was younger but doesn’t really interest me nowadays, so this proposal doesn’t affect me but isn’t it time the politicians stopped the bluster,admitted prohibition has been an utter failure and legalised most recreational drugs.
It would take the cash out of the criminals pockets into the treasuries coffers, hit them where it really hurts.
.If they want to crack down on middle class drug use, I imagine their own backbenches would be a good place to start, which it seems like they’re trying to make a show of doing.
Personally I think it’s a bit of an odd proposal, to take away a passport/driving licence which has not had anything to do with the offence committed (obviously if they were caught behind the wheel then ban them).
I don’t do drugs, I did a bit when I was younger but doesn’t really interest me nowadays, so this proposal doesn’t affect me but isn’t it time the politicians stopped the bluster,admitted prohibition has been an utter failure and legalised most recreational drugs.
It would take the cash out of the criminals pockets into the treasuries coffers, hit them where it really hurts.
rxe said:
I’ve found links to this story from both Guardian and Wail, so everyone has something to click:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/05/u...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10276767/...
The summary of the idea is that penalties for drug users, especially affluent drug users is little more than a slap on the wrist. The people taking the drugs are funding misery and crime and seem to face zero realistic penalty. This proposed policy would see their passports and/or driving licences being taken away from them for a period of time instead (or perhaps with) a conventional fine.
Seems rather smart to me. If you make use deeply unattractive (i.e. you can’t leave the country for 5 years after being done for possession), then it may have more of an impact. Insurance would be a fun prospect after a year’s ban for drug use.
IMO they either just legalise the lot, or implement realistic penalties. They seem to be going down the latter route. I’d extend it to every banned substance, this Class A rubbish is ridiculous, the stuff is either illegal or its not.
What a load of shttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/05/u...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10276767/...
The summary of the idea is that penalties for drug users, especially affluent drug users is little more than a slap on the wrist. The people taking the drugs are funding misery and crime and seem to face zero realistic penalty. This proposed policy would see their passports and/or driving licences being taken away from them for a period of time instead (or perhaps with) a conventional fine.
Seems rather smart to me. If you make use deeply unattractive (i.e. you can’t leave the country for 5 years after being done for possession), then it may have more of an impact. Insurance would be a fun prospect after a year’s ban for drug use.
IMO they either just legalise the lot, or implement realistic penalties. They seem to be going down the latter route. I’d extend it to every banned substance, this Class A rubbish is ridiculous, the stuff is either illegal or its not.
te. Middle-class drug users are pushing up drug-related crime are they? Also, since when do deterrents work with crime? If they don't work with the death penalty, why would they work with drugs and addiction? Come on. Gaining a conviction for drug possession is not a 'slap on the wrist' to a middle class person - no longer entry into countries like the US, Canada and Australia; certain jobs no longer available to you due to enhanced DBS checks and possibly losing your driving licence (particularly for drugs like benzos or opioids). If you're a scrote who drives illegally its probably nothing, but losing your licence could be a disaster for a middle-class fully employed person with a family. And all of that is already in place anyway.Easier to push around and s
t on the middle-classes though, right?Wonder if they'll start with Parliament?
Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster
Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster
I guess we should not be surprised, with democracy and rule of law in the skip, that the "cruel and unusual" restriction joins them.
It should be prison time, or legal.
Or we could just let Doris do whatever he likes to whoever he chooses to today. There's plenty of historical precedent for that sort of rule.
It should be prison time, or legal.
Or we could just let Doris do whatever he likes to whoever he chooses to today. There's plenty of historical precedent for that sort of rule.
Stick Legs said:
Unless you grow weed in your garden for your own consumption there are no ‘consequence free’ recreational drugs, and coke has a particularly unpleasant hinterland.
Send them to Mexico to help the authorities clear up the dozens of bodies that the Narco gangs generate on a daily basis.
TT1138 said:
I’m fully in favour of the middle class drug users being given more than a slap on the wrist, it’s a particularly unpleasant phenomenon.
However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
These are drug dealers; so if they are willing to break that law, they will simply drive without a license.However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
NMNeil said:
TT1138 said:
I’m fully in favour of the middle class drug users being given more than a slap on the wrist, it’s a particularly unpleasant phenomenon.
However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
These are drug dealers; so if they are willing to break that law, they will simply drive without a license.However this story is just bizarre. You take away a drug drivers license to stop them driving (albeit often not effectively in the real world). Same with alcohol. The punishment is directly linked to prevention of the crime.
Taking away drivers license or passport for something entirely unrelated is a very slippery slope. It normalises punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. You might as well say upper-middle class drug users will be banned from buying Agas. It’s similarly nonsensical.
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