sex and the city accusations
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housen

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2,366 posts

215 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59738053

seems a bit harsh for his collogues to bury him immediately

given he hasn't been proven guilty or not

Zetec-S

6,626 posts

116 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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Trial by social media...

Panamax

8,226 posts

57 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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Zetec-S said:
Trial by social media...
...sentencing by sponsors.

Phil Dicky

7,193 posts

286 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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His wife will be happy one was 3 years after they wed. He's not denying it happened, just they were consensual.

Randy Winkman

20,856 posts

212 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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Reasons for people getting good work in the entertainment industry can often be superficial and ephemeral so I guess it's no surprise that they can lose them that way too.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

135 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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WTF!

'Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis said they were "deeply saddened" to hear of the allegations.

"We support the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences," they said in a joint statement.'

Those women should be ashamed of themselves. But I suppose they want to continue working and their careers are more important than such minor considerations as "innocent until proven guilty".

craigjm

20,479 posts

223 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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RobinOakapple said:
WTF!

'Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis said they were "deeply saddened" to hear of the allegations.

"We support the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences," they said in a joint statement.'

Those women should be ashamed of themselves. But I suppose they want to continue working and their careers are more important than such minor considerations as "innocent until proven guilty".
They cant really say anything else can they? If, when the issue is sorted, he is guilty and they stayed silent they will be forever tarred and never work again. If they speak out now in support of accusers and he is proven to be innocent then it will be "its important to encourage people to come forward" These kind of things are a no win for anyone. What needs to happen with cases like this is that they are resolved fast and people are not kept in limbo

Cold

16,412 posts

113 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Sounds serious.

BBC article said:
Los Angeles Police has said the allegations have not led to an investigation because no official report has been made to police.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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RobinOakapple said:
WTF!

'Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis said they were "deeply saddened" to hear of the allegations.

"We support the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences," they said in a joint statement.'

Those women should be ashamed of themselves. But I suppose they want to continue working and their careers are more important than such minor considerations as "innocent until proven guilty".
They've said that (a) they're sad to hear and that (b) they're supporting women who've clearly had a terrible time. I struggle to understand why you have a problem saying this.

If you've bothered to read The Hollywood Reporter's account (and the various followups) this is not just a case of he-said, she-said. There are two well-detailed and unconnected incidents, supported by contemporaneous testimony from people who were told that the was Chris Noth. More have come forward since.

Maybe it'll get to court, maybe not. But it has the ring of authenticity. As to why these things aren't kept private ... often there's a pattern of predatory behaviour and the publicity brings forward further victims. Each of these may have thought they were the only one, and it's exceptionally hard to prove on just the one instance. When it's many unrelated accusers who all tell the same story, you see the truth.

Bear in mind that the Harvey Weinstein misdemeanours only surfaced with a few women talking, then a dozen, then close to 100. And eventually he ended up in jail. One accusation on its own wouldn't have done it.

Still think the actresses should be ashamed?

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

135 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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longblackcoat said:
RobinOakapple said:
WTF!

'Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis said they were "deeply saddened" to hear of the allegations.

"We support the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences," they said in a joint statement.'

Those women should be ashamed of themselves. But I suppose they want to continue working and their careers are more important than such minor considerations as "innocent until proven guilty".
They've said that (a) they're sad to hear and that (b) they're supporting women who've clearly had a terrible time. I struggle to understand why you have a problem saying this.

If you've bothered to read The Hollywood Reporter's account (and the various followups) this is not just a case of he-said, she-said. There are two well-detailed and unconnected incidents, supported by contemporaneous testimony from people who were told that the was Chris Noth. More have come forward since.

Maybe it'll get to court, maybe not. But it has the ring of authenticity. As to why these things aren't kept private ... often there's a pattern of predatory behaviour and the publicity brings forward further victims. Each of these may have thought they were the only one, and it's exceptionally hard to prove on just the one instance. When it's many unrelated accusers who all tell the same story, you see the truth.

Bear in mind that the Harvey Weinstein misdemeanours only surfaced with a few women talking, then a dozen, then close to 100. And eventually he ended up in jail. One accusation on its own wouldn't have done it.

Still think the actresses should be ashamed?
Absolutely I do. In civilised societies there is a system for deciding whether or not people should be considered guilty, it's called the legal system.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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RobinOakapple said:
longblackcoat said:
RobinOakapple said:
WTF!

'Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis said they were "deeply saddened" to hear of the allegations.

"We support the women who have come forward and shared their painful experiences," they said in a joint statement.'

Those women should be ashamed of themselves. But I suppose they want to continue working and their careers are more important than such minor considerations as "innocent until proven guilty".
They've said that (a) they're sad to hear and that (b) they're supporting women who've clearly had a terrible time. I struggle to understand why you have a problem saying this.

If you've bothered to read The Hollywood Reporter's account (and the various followups) this is not just a case of he-said, she-said. There are two well-detailed and unconnected incidents, supported by contemporaneous testimony from people who were told that the was Chris Noth. More have come forward since.

Maybe it'll get to court, maybe not. But it has the ring of authenticity. As to why these things aren't kept private ... often there's a pattern of predatory behaviour and the publicity brings forward further victims. Each of these may have thought they were the only one, and it's exceptionally hard to prove on just the one instance. When it's many unrelated accusers who all tell the same story, you see the truth.

Bear in mind that the Harvey Weinstein misdemeanours only surfaced with a few women talking, then a dozen, then close to 100. And eventually he ended up in jail. One accusation on its own wouldn't have done it.

Still think the actresses should be ashamed?
Absolutely I do. In civilised societies there is a system for deciding whether or not people should be considered guilty, it's called the legal system.
Legal system is one thing.

He'll almost certainly have a clause in his contract to do with reputation and his has suffered, hence The Equaliser cutting him. Given that his job is all about reputation, perhaps he should have considered that he'd be immediately unemployable if he acted as he's alleged to have done. He knew the rules, signed up to it, and has no-one but himself to blame.

As I say, read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour. This guy may or may not be a rapist according to the lay (dunno, have to get it to court) but he's at the very least an utter scumbag.



poo at Paul's

14,546 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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It's Hollywood. People have been shaggin each other for donkeys years, and many are married, not to each other.

When did we all become such lightweights who can't accept that! ?

Mojooo

13,287 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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poo at Paul's said:
It's Hollywood. People have been shaggin each other for donkeys years, and many are married, not to each other.

When did we all become such lightweights who can't accept that! ?
2010.

poo at Paul's

14,546 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Mojooo said:
2010.
Let me check the Memos, ...may have missed it! biggrin

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

135 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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longblackcoat said:
Legal system is one thing.

He'll almost certainly have a clause in his contract to do with reputation and his has suffered, hence The Equaliser cutting him. Given that his job is all about reputation, perhaps he should have considered that he'd be immediately unemployable if he acted as he's alleged to have done. He knew the rules, signed up to it, and has no-one but himself to blame.

As I say, read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour. This guy may or may not be a rapist according to the lay (dunno, have to get it to court) but he's at the very least an utter scumbag.
No, I'm, not going to 'read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour'. I've never been interested in gossip from or about people I don't know, and I don't think you should be either.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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RobinOakapple said:
longblackcoat said:
Legal system is one thing.

He'll almost certainly have a clause in his contract to do with reputation and his has suffered, hence The Equaliser cutting him. Given that his job is all about reputation, perhaps he should have considered that he'd be immediately unemployable if he acted as he's alleged to have done. He knew the rules, signed up to it, and has no-one but himself to blame.

As I say, read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour. This guy may or may not be a rapist according to the lay (dunno, have to get it to court) but he's at the very least an utter scumbag.
No, I'm, not going to 'read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour'. I've never been interested in gossip from or about people I don't know, and I don't think you should be either.
Gossip.

Right.



RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

135 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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longblackcoat said:
RobinOakapple said:
longblackcoat said:
Legal system is one thing.

He'll almost certainly have a clause in his contract to do with reputation and his has suffered, hence The Equaliser cutting him. Given that his job is all about reputation, perhaps he should have considered that he'd be immediately unemployable if he acted as he's alleged to have done. He knew the rules, signed up to it, and has no-one but himself to blame.

As I say, read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour. This guy may or may not be a rapist according to the lay (dunno, have to get it to court) but he's at the very least an utter scumbag.
No, I'm, not going to 'read the accounts of Chris Noth's behaviour'. I've never been interested in gossip from or about people I don't know, and I don't think you should be either.
Gossip.

Right.
Yes , gossip. There's a world of difference between stuff people said other people said or did and sworn testimony given in a court of law, where the accused has a right to cross examine.

poo at Paul's

14,546 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Imagine being some massive big new things moviestar nowadays, having everyone loves you, people and throw themselves at you, ....world at your feet, not married, no ties.......
And not being able to do a damned thing about it, in case someone cries abuse a few years down the line and ruins your career before it has even begun.

Utterly joyless!

Richard-D

2,000 posts

87 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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longblackcoat said:
Legal system is one thing.

He'll almost certainly have a clause in his contract to do with reputation and his has suffered, hence The Equaliser cutting him. Given that his job is all about reputation, perhaps he should have considered that he'd be immediately unemployable if he acted as he's alleged to have done. He knew the rules, signed up to it, and has no-one but himself to blame.
So you understand that allegations are damaging to him regardless of whether or not they're true.

You really should read back what you've written and have a good think about it. Your reasoning is nonsense.



Dromedary66

1,924 posts

161 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Harvey Weinstein really ruined it for the rest of them.