Council doesnt understand how rubbish bins work

[saaby93]

People leave their rubbish around bins that are full up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-5980...
Rather than saying 'Thanks - we'll send someone around to empty them'
it's ' we need to buy some cctv to fine people'

What do they think is going to happen next - loads of rubbish dumped in the countryside?

Just empty the bins

[Countdown]

Why don't the selfish pricks take the extra rubbish to the tip?

Our Council has had a "No side rubbish" Policy for years. i think it was originally intended to encourage recycling. The vast majority of people manage to cope OK. If for any reason people have extra rubbish the decent non-council ones take it to the tip. It's really not rocket science.

[WindyCommon]

Emptying council tax payers bins is a distant third priority to commercial waste management partnerships and saving the planet. What outcome do you expect?

[Darkslider]

On the rare occasions I find myself with an extra bin bag I just put some wellies on and jump up and down in the bin until I can fit it in. Does nobody own wellies anymore?

[Tigerj]

Countdown said:

Why don't the selfish pricks take the extra rubbish to the tip?

Our Council has had a "No side rubbish" Policy for years. i think it was originally intended to encourage recycling. The vast majority of people manage to cope OK. If for any reason people have extra rubbish the decent non-council ones take it to the tip. It's really not rocket science.

Agree with this, it cost the council to collect which inturn costs the tax payer, if it's full take it to the tip. Everyone seems to expect the council to wipe their arse for them.

[saaby93]

Tigerj said:

Countdown said:

Why don't the selfish pricks take the extra rubbish to the tip?

Our Council has had a "No side rubbish" Policy for years. i think it was originally intended to encourage recycling. The vast majority of people manage to cope OK. If for any reason people have extra rubbish the decent non-council ones take it to the tip. It's really not rocket science.

Agree with this, it cost the council to collect which inturn costs the tax payer, if it's full take it to the tip. Everyone seems to expect the council to wipe their arse for them.

How far away is the tip?
Cost of X people taking stuff to the tip that you have to book a slot in advance, vs the bin lorry emptying the bin on its way past, vs dumping stuff in hedgerows?
Just empty the bin

[crankedup5]

The answer to the situation posed by the OP is clear and obvious, just see the fly tipping seemingly everywhere from City to Countryside. At some point in a far flung time local Councils collected rubbish and flytipping was almost unheard of. Now we are drowning under a sea of detritus from mattresses to old cookers and fridges. I think Councils should review their policies regarding waste collection.
Commenting on use of the recycle centre at Bury St Edmunds, only appointments are permitted to enter the centre and off load. Doesn’t make things easy.

[bigpriest]

crankedup5 said:

The answer to the situation posed by the OP is clear and obvious, just see the fly tipping seemingly everywhere from City to Countryside. At some point in a far flung time local Councils collected rubbish and flytipping was almost unheard of. Now we are drowning under a sea of detritus from mattresses to old cookers and fridges. I think Councils should review their policies regarding waste collection.
Commenting on use of the recycle centre at Bury St Edmunds, only appointments are permitted to enter the centre and off load. Doesn’t make things easy.

The Council (well to be accurate the private waste companies) work to a budget. If that budget used to be sufficient to collect all waste left by anyone then fine. What happens when that budget is cut by 50%? Do you carry on regardless or ask your residents to show a bit of consideration and maybe not accumulate as much crap. Paper and cardboard can be stored quite easily for weeks / months in your garden or even house until there's room in your bin. What's the panic to get rid of packaging 2 days after Xmas?

[Teddy Lop]

Tigerj said:

Countdown said:

Why don't the selfish pricks take the extra rubbish to the tip?

Our Council has had a "No side rubbish" Policy for years. i think it was originally intended to encourage recycling. The vast majority of people manage to cope OK. If for any reason people have extra rubbish the decent non-council ones take it to the tip. It's really not rocket science.

Agree with this, it cost the council to collect which inturn costs the tax payer, if it's full take it to the tip. Everyone seems to expect the council to wipe their arse for them.

Are these the same councils actively trying to prevent car use by denying road space and increasing congestion, that want you to drive to the tip?

[crankedup5]

bigpriest said:

crankedup5 said:

The answer to the situation posed by the OP is clear and obvious, just see the fly tipping seemingly everywhere from City to Countryside. At some point in a far flung time local Councils collected rubbish and flytipping was almost unheard of. Now we are drowning under a sea of detritus from mattresses to old cookers and fridges. I think Councils should review their policies regarding waste collection.
Commenting on use of the recycle centre at Bury St Edmunds, only appointments are permitted to enter the centre and off load. Doesn’t make things easy.

The Council (well to be accurate the private waste companies) work to a budget. If that budget used to be sufficient to collect all waste left by anyone then fine. What happens when that budget is cut by 50%? Do you carry on regardless or ask your residents to show a bit of consideration and maybe not accumulate as much crap. Paper and cardboard can be stored quite easily for weeks / months in your garden or even house until there's room in your bin. What's the panic to get rid of packaging 2 days after Xmas?

Yup, I wouldn’t disagree with some of your remarks but would ask this :
Is rubbish collection a public health service?
Has the fly tipping budget grown year on year?
Has any Council challenged what appears to be a National policy on rubbish collections?
At what point will any Council look and think ‘this is going badly’ ?
Christmas waste is an exceptional event, once a year and should be accounted for within budgets.
Budget allocations are, I assume, prioritised where do rubbish collections fall on the scale?

[CoolHands]

How come when I was camping in France I think the bin lorry came literally every day?

Britain is a sthole now.

[stevemcs]

CoolHands said:

How come when I was camping in France I think the bin lorry came literally every day?

Britain is a sthole now.

Same in Majorca (Alcudia) they come around most nights around 11pm onwards. You hardly see any rubbish, the bins are always empty and you never get stuck behind a bin lorry. They only have 3 people as well, 2 standing on the back, 1 driving.

[eccles]

There always used to be an unwritten rule that Christmas was a special time and the council understood this and took away excess rubbish bagged up next to the bin.

[crankedup5]

CoolHands said:

How come when I was camping in France I think the bin lorry came literally every day?

Britain is a sthole now.

Our friends live S. France and bins are collected daily.

[kowalski655]

I've had to make several dump runs after Xmas but it's not exactly hard! But not having a car will make it very hard,there are no extra collections, which is odd.

[Louis Balfour]

Our council has decided to extend the period between bin collections over Christmas. During the normal cycle of bin collections we struggled to fit it all in.

I am not sure how we are going to get rid of the recycling. When we pay £4k per annum in council tax, I am not sure I should have to drive it to the tip for them.

[dandarez]

stevemcs said:

CoolHands said:

How come when I was camping in France I think the bin lorry came literally every day?

Britain is a sthole now.

Same in Majorca (Alcudia) they come around most nights around 11pm onwards. You hardly see any rubbish, the bins are always empty and you never get stuck behind a bin lorry. They only have 3 people as well, 2 standing on the back, 1 driving.

That's quite enlightening.
On our first hols abroad we went to southern Spain and my wife reminded me of this a few weeks ago - we went off for a long walk outside of our hotel complex, and never before had we seen so much rubbish strewn everywhere, on paths, in hedgerows, everywhere you looked. She said (at the time), 'Goodness, this is awful, thank god it's not like this back home.'

Sort of role reversal. That was 1979.
The sthole is staring us right in the f face now!

[crankedup5]

dandarez said:

stevemcs said:

CoolHands said:

How come when I was camping in France I think the bin lorry came literally every day?

Britain is a sthole now.

Same in Majorca (Alcudia) they come around most nights around 11pm onwards. You hardly see any rubbish, the bins are always empty and you never get stuck behind a bin lorry. They only have 3 people as well, 2 standing on the back, 1 driving.

That's quite enlightening.
On our first hols abroad we went to southern Spain and my wife reminded me of this a few weeks ago - we went off for a long walk outside of our hotel complex, and never before had we seen so much rubbish strewn everywhere, on paths, in hedgerows, everywhere you looked. She said (at the time), 'Goodness, this is awful, thank god it's not like this back home.'

Sort of role reversal. That was 1979.
The sthole is staring us right in the f face now!

Very sad indictment of our Society, drive along dual carriageways for a feast of detritus littering. Even the roads, (Barking, Essex) don’t look to have been swept for years.

[Teddy Lop]

dandarez said:

That's quite enlightening.
On our first hols abroad we went to southern Spain and my wife reminded me of this a few weeks ago - we went off for a long walk outside of our hotel complex, and never before had we seen so much rubbish strewn everywhere, on paths, in hedgerows, everywhere you looked. She said (at the time), 'Goodness, this is awful, thank god it's not like this back home.'

Sort of role reversal. That was 1979.
The sthole is staring us right in the f face now!

Very common in certain parts of eastern Europe too, the quasi accepted practice for a builder say refurbing a bathroom is to drive all the ripped out debris just out of town and tip it. Obvious thread progression that way lies though, eh.

[55palfers]

I'm old enough to remember the bin-men being employed directly by the council.

They would come round the back of the house, pick up a metal bin, carry it to the wagon and empty it. The bin would be returned from whence it came.

Any "side" rubbish would also be picked up and thrown on the lorry.

You could also turn up at the council tip without an appointment, maybe even in a small van too, and dump your rubbish with no hassle.

I wish it were possible to compare the cost of the old way of handling domestic waste versus the "competitive and efficient" contracted out arrangements we have at present.