Did Epstein kill himself?
Poll: Did Epstein kill himself?
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I had heard rumours that Epstein might have been killed rather than committing suicide, which is the official version of events. Although there were possibly some nervous people of influence I thought him being murdered was a bit conspiracy theory. However, a quick Google of the case revealed some strange facts (from memory)
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
Esceptico said:
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Its on par with:- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
'i fell over a picnic table and i desperately tried to not fall but as i fell i noticed that a naked man was beneath me, as i was falling i tried jumping back up but noticed that part of the man was inside me. As i tried to get up i found myself repeatedly falling back down.
This whole event went on for no more than 5 minutes by which time both of us were exhausted from the struggle.
I apologise for any confusion which may have occurred from this terrible accident'
Maurene Comey (daughter of James Comey) was to be the prosecutor. Her team "lost" video footage of Epstein's first unsuccessful attempted "suicide".
She was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
She was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
Esceptico said:
I had heard rumours that Epstein might have been killed rather than committing suicide, which is the official version of events. Although there were possibly some nervous people of influence I thought him being murdered was a bit conspiracy theory. However, a quick Google of the case revealed some strange facts (from memory)
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
'Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action' to quote Ian Fleming in 'Goldfinger' - despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories but I do enjoy reading them as I find them highly entertaining but once in a while one comes along that makes me wonder and the Epstein 'suicide' is one.
His death was just too convenient for far too many people for it to be suicide in my opinion.
Ymmv
Kevin Cozner said:
Maurene Comey (daughter of James Comey) was to be the prosecutor. Her team "lost" video footage of Epstein's first unsuccessful attempted "suicide".
She was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
trump was a friend of the Clintons, not sure what difference that makesShe was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
Tango13 said:
His death was just too convenient for far too many people for it to be suicide in my opinion.
Is the more likely explanation. Also notice that when the FBi raided they thought they didn't have the right to seize the incriminating tapes/CD's/DVD's but took photos of them. When they had the warrant to seize them 4 days later, they had disappeared...Get deeper into them thar weeds....
1.
Bob Maxwell had about 6 serving and ex-heads of Mossad at his funeral.
Epstein came 'out of nowhere' with a tonne of cash while hooked up with G Maxwell.
His residences were camera'd up.
He attracted a huge range of the great and good, and not so good, to his homes.
Some guests availed themselves of the more physical delights.
Computers wiped/destroyed before raids at NYC and on his island.
Hegets topped commits suicide in weird circumstances before even knowing what the state of play would be in respect to trial etc. [IE before he could 'negotiate' openly]
2.
How would you set up a honey trap operation to compromise the great and good, and not so good?
Put someone in a position as being a successful financier.
Start to surround yourself with public figures ['baubles'] from every sphere.
Attract politicians and policy makers with those baubles and the promise of privacy and 'Hugh Heffner' style parties.
Lure anyone with slight peccadillo's into compromising situations.
Film, use, manipulate....
Terminate with extreme prejudice if op is compromised.
1 & 2 are completely unrelated of course...
1.
Bob Maxwell had about 6 serving and ex-heads of Mossad at his funeral.
Epstein came 'out of nowhere' with a tonne of cash while hooked up with G Maxwell.
His residences were camera'd up.
He attracted a huge range of the great and good, and not so good, to his homes.
Some guests availed themselves of the more physical delights.
Computers wiped/destroyed before raids at NYC and on his island.
He
2.
How would you set up a honey trap operation to compromise the great and good, and not so good?
Put someone in a position as being a successful financier.
Start to surround yourself with public figures ['baubles'] from every sphere.
Attract politicians and policy makers with those baubles and the promise of privacy and 'Hugh Heffner' style parties.
Lure anyone with slight peccadillo's into compromising situations.
Film, use, manipulate....
Terminate with extreme prejudice if op is compromised.
1 & 2 are completely unrelated of course...
m3jappa said:
Its on par with:
'i fell over a picnic table and i desperately tried to not fall but as i fell i noticed that a naked man was beneath me, as i was falling i tried jumping back up but noticed that part of the man was inside me. As i tried to get up i found myself repeatedly falling back down.
This whole event went on for no more than 5 minutes by which time both of us were exhausted from the struggle.
I apologise for any confusion which may have occurred from this terrible accident'
'i fell over a picnic table and i desperately tried to not fall but as i fell i noticed that a naked man was beneath me, as i was falling i tried jumping back up but noticed that part of the man was inside me. As i tried to get up i found myself repeatedly falling back down.
This whole event went on for no more than 5 minutes by which time both of us were exhausted from the struggle.
I apologise for any confusion which may have occurred from this terrible accident'
Maybe he didn't want to spend the rest of his days in an 8x6 cage with the rest of the sodomites?
It's a bit of a comedown after private tropical islands, private jets, the best of everything the world can offer.
Perhaps he took twisted satisfaction from depriving the victims of closure?
As for the guards,I bet they often sleep on duty,maybe they have daughters and couldn't give a flying f
k if a paedo molester tops himself?
It's a bit of a comedown after private tropical islands, private jets, the best of everything the world can offer.
Perhaps he took twisted satisfaction from depriving the victims of closure?
As for the guards,I bet they often sleep on duty,maybe they have daughters and couldn't give a flying f
k if a paedo molester tops himself? Kevin Cozner said:
Maurene Comey (daughter of James Comey) was to be the prosecutor. Her team "lost" video footage of Epstein's first unsuccessful attempted "suicide".
She was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
James Comey actually effectively lost Hillary Clinton the 2016 election.She was also the prosecutor of Maxwell, who managed not to obtain any evidence of who the girls were trafficked for.
James Comey was of course a friend of the Clintons.
bristolracer said:
Maybe he didn't want to spend the rest of his days in an 8x6 cage with the rest of the sodomites?
It's a bit of a comedown after private tropical islands, private jets, the best of everything the world can offer.
Perhaps he took twisted satisfaction from depriving the victims of closure?
As for the guards,I bet they often sleep on duty,maybe they have daughters and couldn't give a flying fk if a paedo molester tops himself?
this, he did have a lot of money for legal defence though so why not wait?It's a bit of a comedown after private tropical islands, private jets, the best of everything the world can offer.
Perhaps he took twisted satisfaction from depriving the victims of closure?
As for the guards,I bet they often sleep on duty,maybe they have daughters and couldn't give a flying f
k if a paedo molester tops himself? Esceptico said:
I had heard rumours that Epstein might have been killed rather than committing suicide, which is the official version of events. Although there were possibly some nervous people of influence I thought him being murdered was a bit conspiracy theory. However, a quick Google of the case revealed some strange facts (from memory)
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
Wasnt it also the case that he was found in a kneeling postion with the ligature strung around the bars on the cell window?- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
Cant see how you hang yourself with your feet on the ground unless youre already unconscious perhaps?
Dastardly Dick said:
Esceptico said:
I had heard rumours that Epstein might have been killed rather than committing suicide, which is the official version of events. Although there were possibly some nervous people of influence I thought him being murdered was a bit conspiracy theory. However, a quick Google of the case revealed some strange facts (from memory)
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
Wasnt it also the case that he was found in a kneeling postion with the ligature strung around the bars on the cell window?- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
His death robbed his many victims of a chance of getting closure plus it seems that the rich and famous who were indirectly involved in the abuse are most likely to get away with it.
Americans boast about how wonderful America is but from my perspective American justice seems dependent more on money, power and influence than on truth and natural justice.
Cant see how you hang yourself with your feet on the ground unless youre already unconscious perhaps?
Esceptico said:
However, a quick Google of the case revealed some strange facts (from memory)
- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
lots of reliance on 'facts'... have your facts been fact-checked?- despite being a suicide risk his cell mate was moved out to a different cell the night of his death (I understand that is against rules)
- he was supposed to be checked every thirty minutes but the two guards on his block both fell asleep so he wasn’t checked all night
- the CCTV around his cell malfunctioned
- the autopsy revealed a broken bone in his neck that is more common in strangulation than in death by hanging.
Taken together those seem quite concerning facts.
Its the kind of thing that may happen in a scenario when some very, very rich and influential people realise that this relative nobody/enabler (Who happens to also be a "Terrific Guy"....) may spill the beans that they engaged in some stuff they really dont want to come out.
Be interesting to see what happens to Ghislaine Maxwell.
Be interesting to see what happens to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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