Vax or Anti-Vax Remorse?

[Al Gorithum]

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

[poo at Paul's]

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

It’s difficult as depends how bad your reaction was, I had a rough 48 hours after a moderna booster and wondered if that is a good or bad thing!?
Ie does that mean if I had caught covid it would be much worse? One assumes so, but then with a friend having self same vaccine regime as I and having nothing but a sore muscle after any of them, one wonders who would fare best in the event of catching covid? Does his lack of vaccine reaction suggest covid would hardly register, or would I fare better having had the reaction and maybe T cells ?
I was glad I recovered after 48 hours, I felt quite grim for a lot of that!
I have no remorse about it, however, just made me wonder why so many people seem to react so differently.

[PurplePangolin]

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

[Jasandjules]

Al Gorithum said:

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

And do you believe it?

I've seen a fair few tweets of those who regret and/or relatives of those who died following the vax. Not seen tweets of relatives the other way, I am sure they are out there though.

Also seen lots of posts by people who got ill after the vax but are thankful as it would have been worse without the vax (in their opinion).

The main problem is knowing what is true online and in the news these days

[richardxjr]

Define anti vaxer.

I'm not anti vaccines, my kids and wife have them all, as have I up until now.

But I have decided that I'm not taking any further part in this particular mass trial, taking into account my age and health including strong immune system, and still suffering pins and needles in my left foot months and months after taking first AZ.

Especially while the manufacturers are still indemnified against corporate responsibility for their products.

If we discount that I may have had 'it' in Dec '19, I've not had a sniffle since then so I'm happy to carry on taking my chances against this deadly disease without big pharma's help, thanks.

[survivalist]

Double vaccinated, felt rough after both but more irritating than anything else. Also had covid pre-vaccination and that wasn't too bad either.

I did it mainly to make travel easier but in reality the difference was minimal. Wouldn't class it as remorse but probably wouldn't bother if I had my time again.

Not planning on getting the booster, unless it offers some practical benefits beyond the vaccination itself.

[Al Gorithum]

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

If it helps prevent me from almost dying again and losing a year of my life, then yes I will. Not judging anybody else.

[Rick101]

I don't care either way. People can do what they want just leave me alone!

Had 1st jab a few weeks back only as I booked our Le Mans trip.
Day after the French told us we're not visiting regardless.

Regretted it on principle. I certainly wasn't doing it for my health, I did it because I wanted to go on holiday.
Quite a ridiculous situation. I may as well have eaten a scotch egg.

[DanL]

Had AZ X 2 initially - felt a little under the weather for 24 hours after the first one, fine for the second. Had a Pfizer booster - same 24 hour “illness” after that, plus a sore arm for a few days.

Don’t regret having them, but I might not bother with a second booster - I shouldn’t be at risk (I’m 46 and reasonably healthy), so unless it’s required to make travel easier it seems a bit pointless.

I suppose, like a yearly flu jab, I might have a booster each winter if that’s recommended. Not because I particularly worry about catching covid, but for the same reasons I have the flu jab - I’d rather not feel crappy for a few days if I can avoid it!

[Colonel Cupcake]

I'm 54 and I'm not going to even think about taking this medicine until I reach at least 65.

With every day that passes, I am more and more convinced I have made the right decision.

My stance may cost me my job but if your principles don't cause you pain, they are not worth having.

[poo at Paul's]

richardxjr said:

But I have decided that I'm not taking any further part in this particular mass trial, taking into account my age and health including strong immune system, and still suffering pins and needles in my left foot months and months after taking first AZ.

I'm interested in how you know about the strength of your immune system, can people have it tested? I had a bit nasty flu style bug xmas 2019 while skiing in France, few days off the slopes and bad temperatures, but since, i have had no illness, and cannot recall much before that.
But my noteable vaccine reaction was such that it left me thinking is that the reaction of a strong immune system, ie body sees something it doestn like and fire's up the quattro so to speak, and or a weak one and it is the vaccine causing the symptoms itself?

Are there tests for immune system or is it just anecdotal and no known immuno compromising conditions that make one assume?

One of my neighbours is 85 and had pfizer like me and noticed nothing after the jab. I was ill after each one, from mild to quite significant. I honestly dont know who is in the better position!

[Terminator X]

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

Every 10 weeks "just in case"

TX.

[PurplePangolin]

Al Gorithum said:

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

If it helps prevent me from almost dying again and losing a year of my life, then yes I will. Not judging anybody else.

Fair enough.
Did you contract covid before you had the chance to get vaccinated?

[Jinx]

survivalist said:

Double vaccinated, felt rough after both but more irritating than anything else. Also had covid pre-vaccination and that wasn't too bad either.

I did it mainly to make travel easier but in reality the difference was minimal. Wouldn't class it as remorse but probably wouldn't bother if I had my time again.

Not planning on getting the booster, unless it offers some practical benefits beyond the vaccination itself.

I was due to get the booster over Christmas - got Covid instead. I'm in no rush to get a booster now.

[Funk]

I'm sure I'll be attacked for this on here but fk it.

Frankly there's a global consensus of incredibly intelligent, hugely talented scientists and medical personnel who have enormous amounts of knowledge and research available to them saying that it's what we should do. For your average lay-person to think they can even come close to making an 'informed' decision is laughable.

"BuT I'vE dOnE mY rEseArCh..." - no, you've found what you wanted to find that supports your fear or inability to trust that the medical and scientific communities overwhelmingly know better than you do.

And to those who say, "I'm not anti-vaccine...but I'm not taking the vaccine..." - I hate to say it but you're anti-vaccine. You may have fears about the unknown, fair enough, that's OK and not unexpected. Like ANY form of medication there will be side-effects for a percentage of people. But on something like this I think the average Joe has to accept the expertise, knowledge and desire of the medical community to 'do good' and protect people.

If I were facing a serious legal issue and nearly every legal expert in the world agreed on how to proceed, I wouldn't sit down and start trying to study law - I'd accept there's more to it than I could ever know and that at some point I need to trust experts.

Why even bother having experts if we don't listen to them when it matters most?

[Paul Dishman]

My wife and I are both in our 60s, both had 2xAZ and a Moderna booster. She had no side effects at all, I had a sore arm for a few days after the booster.

Will be both have regular Covid boosters? Yes. It'll be just as routine as flu jabs at our age.

[poo at Paul's]

Terminator X said:

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

Every 10 weeks "just in case"

TX.

I can see them being twice a year, or even a booster on top for winter. Flu jab is once per year but has a defined "season", Covid seems to not be at that stage yet.
I have read things about people saying they were told it was two jabs and that was it. I never got told that, infact, all i read about the vaccines being developed was that two jabs was designed to protect against one strain, and they would be revised to deal with others.
My assumption all the way since beginning was that we would need them annually, and with most being 2 jabs for a full dose, that would be what we were offered.
It is going to be interesting as to how companies develop their offerings based on new mutations. And how long they need to go through testing before being approved. Rumours are another significant mutation has been noted and WHO looking at it now.

No end to it.

[richardxjr]

poo at Paul's said:

richardxjr said:

But I have decided that I'm not taking any further part in this particular mass trial, taking into account my age and health including strong immune system, and still suffering pins and needles in my left foot months and months after taking first AZ.

I'm interested in how you know about the strength of your immune system, can people have it tested? I had a bit nasty flu style bug xmas 2019 while skiing in France, few days off the slopes and bad temperatures, but since, i have had no illness, and cannot recall much before that.
But my noteable vaccine reaction was such that it left me thinking is that the reaction of a strong immune system, ie body sees something it doestn like and fire's up the quattro so to speak, and or a weak one and it is the vaccine causing the symptoms itself?

Are there tests for immune system or is it just anecdotal and no known immuno compromising conditions that make one assume?

One of my neighbours is 85 and had pfizer like me and noticed nothing after the jab. I was ill after each one, from mild to quite significant. I honestly dont know who is in the better position!

My wife has a compromised immune system and gets every bug going. (Not rona though funnily enough!). I never catch anything (except for Dec 19 as mentioned)

Funny you mention Xmas 19, I'm damn sure that was 'rona! That did floor me for a couple of days and weirdly the wife did not catch it.

[Al Gorithum]

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

PurplePangolin said:

Al Gorithum said:

Different thread to the others.

Seen lots of news recently about anti-vaxers who have changed their minds after contracting COVID (some subsequently died), but haven't seen the opposite yet.

Have to admit that I had a very bad reaction to the booster recently but am not remorseful yet.

Thoughts?

Are you going to have a 4th vaccine if that is recommended?

If it helps prevent me from almost dying again and losing a year of my life, then yes I will. Not judging anybody else.

Fair enough.
Did you contract covid before you had the chance to get vaccinated?

Yes I got poorly on 17th Jan last year before the vaccines were available.

I find it interesting that people in the same family have different reactions to the disease and to the vaccines. Hopefully the scientists/engineers etc will get to the bottom of this in due course.

[Scrimpton]

richardxjr said:

Define anti vaxer.

I'm not anti vaccines, my kids and wife have them all, as have I up until now.

But I have decided that I'm not taking any further part in this particular mass trial, taking into account my age and health including strong immune system, and still suffering pins and needles in my left foot months and months after taking first AZ.

Especially while the manufacturers are still indemnified against corporate responsibility for their products.

If we discount that I may have had 'it' in Dec '19, I've not had a sniffle since then so I'm happy to carry on taking my chances against this deadly disease without big pharma's help, thanks.

I had pins and needles on and off in my left hand for a couple of months after my second AZ jab (no reaction to the first). I was boosted before Christmas with Moderna and didn't even have a sore arm after that. Similar to you, I'm not having any more now as I'm not in a high risk age or fat group.