Sue Gray Report Leaked

[Tannedbaldhead]

Breaking


https://youtu.be/W_S5XXR5lo4

[anonymous-user]

[IAmTheWalrus]

Some people have no patience.. If he's already admitted it what was the point.

[Dr Jekyll]

Admitted what exactly?

[IAmTheWalrus]

It was a party via application for apologies especially for the party on the eve of the funeral.

[IAmTheWalrus]

All he really needs is an email to support the idea of discussing a word related topic with someone there and he's off the hook.

[valiant]

There’s been more than one party and it seems that Carrie Antionette had numerous gatherings with friends in the No11 flat.

It’s not about a single event.

[MitchT]

The Naughty Centre

We really need to bring back the stocks and put Boris and his cronies in them. That's something I'd happily pay for!

[a_dreamer]

State of UK politics. Corruption, lies, bullying, increases in child poverty, terrible handling of the pandemic and 150k deaths, botched brexit, all accepted.

But a party? Wouldn't make a list of the top hundred things this prick has got wrong

[Blue62]

a_dreamer said:

State of UK politics. Corruption, lies, bullying, increases in child poverty, terrible handling of the pandemic and 150k deaths, botched brexit, all accepted.

But a party? Wouldn't make a list of the top hundred things this prick has got wrong

A sobering post.

[Evercross]

a_dreamer said:

State of UK politics. Corruption, lies, bullying, increases in child poverty, terrible handling of the pandemic and 150k deaths, botched brexit, all accepted.

17k once those who died 'with Covid' and those with known severe comorbidity are excluded. Source ONS.

[a_dreamer]

Evercross said:

17k once those who died 'with Covid' and those with known severe comorbidity are excluded. Source ONS.

I'm sorry but I don't think that makes it ok. They are still people and a % of those had manageable illness that would not have led to their death in the timeframe.

I'd still put "having a party" below 17k deaths in any list too. Plus the fact the number ignores many people who would still be here now.

Edited by a_dreamer on Monday 24th January 09:34

[prand]

a_dreamer said:

I'm sorry but I don't think that makes it ok. They are still people and a % of those had manageable illness that would not have led to their death in the timeframe.

I'd also say that a fair few of those had to die away from their families who were not allowed to see or be with them. And don't forget those kicked out of hospital to spread COVID through the care homes. Again all due to govt policy and rules.

The fact that Johnson and Co wilfully ignored their own rules makes this attention absolutely appropriate.

[a_dreamer]

anonymous said:

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Exactly. It includes all cancers, diabetes, asthma, any heart issue.

It could take down any British cyclist and they'd be classed as "died with covid"

[oyster]

anonymous said:

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What about the lives saved by not locking down as some would have preferred this winter?
Might cost a few of the red carpet Covid lives, but will save countless others, not to mention the mental health benefits.


PS. to emphasise this point, no one seems to give a st for the other 850,000 people to have dies in the last 2 years in the UK, the focus only seems to be those who died after testing positive for Covid.

[bitchstewie]

Of course there is a serious point here which is when a 5 year old can tell you it's wrong what does it say about all the people sent out to defend his conduct.

[Blue62]

Evercross said:

17k once those who died 'with Covid' and those with known severe comorbidity are excluded. Source ONS.

I think it’s widely accepted that the fairest measure is excess deaths, the U.K. currently has 222 per 100k, France 137, Germany 143. I guess we can all manipulate data and numbers on their own don’t tell the whole story, but you’re very wide of the mark I think.

[Dr Jekyll]

prand said:

I'd also say that a fair few of those had to die away from their families who were not allowed to see or be with them. And don't forget those kicked out of hospital to spread COVID through the care homes. Again all due to govt policy and rules.

The fact that Johnson and Co wilfully ignored their own rules makes this attention absolutely appropriate.

Which rule did Johnson ignore?

[deckster]

IAmTheWalrus said:

Some people have no patience.. If he's already admitted it what was the point.

Be honest. You didn't watch the video, did you.

[prand]

Dr Jekyll said:

Which rule did Johnson ignore?

Let's see what this report reveals. Johnson was also apologising for attending a party during lockdown restrictions last week, though seemed to be heavily influenced by legal advice it was hard to see what was being apologised for.

I would also say that he seems to have allowed and encouraged a culture of relaxed socialising under number 10's roof, inappropriate, and possibly illegal given the situation the country was in.

And his support and endorsement of Cummings after he had been caught out in Barnard Castle sent a clear message, that if you had even a half hearted explanation, you could basically do as you pleased.