Maida Vale Knife attack
Discussion
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/maida-vale-s...
On the face of it, sounds like a decent job undertaken by an MOP passing buy who ran this knife attacker down is a car.
Have to say, I’d be tempted to do similar, although no doubt a world of pain is coming this person’s way.
But on the face of it for now at least, well done.
On the face of it, sounds like a decent job undertaken by an MOP passing buy who ran this knife attacker down is a car.
Have to say, I’d be tempted to do similar, although no doubt a world of pain is coming this person’s way.
But on the face of it for now at least, well done.
poo at Paul's said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/maida-vale-s...
On the face of it, sounds like a decent job undertaken by an MOP passing buy who ran this knife attacker down is a car.
Have to say, I’d be tempted to do similar, although no doubt a world of pain is coming this person’s way.
But on the face of it for now at least, well done.
What a stroke of luck that that person lost control of their car and careered into that knifeman just as he was attacking someone. I mean, phew, the odds must be astronomical.On the face of it, sounds like a decent job undertaken by an MOP passing buy who ran this knife attacker down is a car.
Have to say, I’d be tempted to do similar, although no doubt a world of pain is coming this person’s way.
But on the face of it for now at least, well done.
Firstly, condolences to the knife victim's family.
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
Ian Geary said:
Firstly, condolences to the knife victim's family.
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
Theyll have their life and background examined inside out to ensure they have absolutely no link to either the f stabber or their victim before any decision will be madeArticle sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
Ian Geary said:
Firstly, condolences to the knife victim's family.
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I am sure I have seen examples of murder or assault charges (according to outcome) when a car has been used to deliberately run someone down, as opposed to carelessly?Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I think it is entirely proportionate, provided the driver had no ulterior motive for wanting the guy dead. It will be interesting to see what happens.
I’m reminded of that video of the nutter with the machete that had just run over and murdered (iirc) Fusilier Lee Rigby. There was footage from a car in the traffic queue of him on the pavement and some woman walking past him, his machete dripping in blood. I remember thinking if I was in that car, i honestly think I’d have pinned the f
ker to the railings with my bumper, to stop him hurting anyone else.
And yet this woman just walked past him and he ignored her.
So if I’d have done that ‘after’ such a vid was made, and I’d not seen that, I’d probably been stitched up like a kipper.
It’s horrific that the driver’s been arrested on suspicion of murder, assuming he is an innocent guy just caught up in this. So, he used a vehicle to stop this nutter. So what.
Did they think of arresting the lad who attacked that terrorist on London Bridge with the Nardil tusk? He armed himself and attacked the perp. In this case, some chap’s used a quasqai not a tusk. So what?
ker to the railings with my bumper, to stop him hurting anyone else. And yet this woman just walked past him and he ignored her.
So if I’d have done that ‘after’ such a vid was made, and I’d not seen that, I’d probably been stitched up like a kipper.
It’s horrific that the driver’s been arrested on suspicion of murder, assuming he is an innocent guy just caught up in this. So, he used a vehicle to stop this nutter. So what.
Did they think of arresting the lad who attacked that terrorist on London Bridge with the Nardil tusk? He armed himself and attacked the perp. In this case, some chap’s used a quasqai not a tusk. So what?
mac96 said:
Ian Geary said:
Firstly, condolences to the knife victim's family.
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I am sure I have seen examples of murder or assault charges (according to outcome) when a car has been used to deliberately run someone down, as opposed to carelessly?Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I think it is entirely proportionate, provided the driver had no ulterior motive for wanting the guy dead. It will be interesting to see what happens.
The Vehicle is used as a weapon and the force used needs to be proportionate to the threat
The difference is when the vehicle is used as a weapon of offense rather than one of defence
Earthdweller said:
mac96 said:
Ian Geary said:
Firstly, condolences to the knife victim's family.
Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I am sure I have seen examples of murder or assault charges (according to outcome) when a car has been used to deliberately run someone down, as opposed to carelessly?Article sets out the driver has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Not sure if that's normal with car related deaths? Though vaguely recall being told the police prefer the most serious charge possible.
I don't recall hearing of a "murder by car" crime before - death by DD obviously gets used most often in a bad driving situation
I'm not blind to the extenuating circumstances.of course. I wonder if the CPS might decide it's not in the public interest to prosecute?
I guess ultimately it will come down to whether parking your car over someone who has just committed a murder (and so might carry on murdering) is reasonable and proportionate?
I think it is entirely proportionate, provided the driver had no ulterior motive for wanting the guy dead. It will be interesting to see what happens.
The Vehicle is used as a weapon and the force used needs to be proportionate to the threat
The difference is when the vehicle is used as a weapon of offense rather than one of defence
I sincerely hope they don’t charge this person.
poo at Paul's said:
I presume his defence will be he ran the guy over to stop him killing or hurting others.
I sincerely hope they don’t charge this person.
I have no idea what happened and I’m sure the police didn’t when they arrived either I sincerely hope they don’t charge this person.
I’m not surprised the chap has been arrested sus murder but he does have a defence under Common Law and S3 Criminal Law Act 1967
The police will have to interview him and then pass a file to the CPS for a charge decision
I suppose more will come out in due course and I suppose if he was the “good guy” trying to help it will depend on whether they consider the force he used to be necessary and appropriate.. lethal force can be if justified but it’s not a given it won’t go to a trial
bobthemonkey said:
The BBC report has an eyewitness claiming the driver hit BOTH the attacker and the victim, which had the potential to makes things rather more complicated.
That’s how I read it too. Do t think he’s quite the hero being painted on here at the moment if those witness accounts are accurate. He could be the reason that the woman died, rather than recovered from her stab wounds. unident said:
That’s how I read it too. Do t think he’s quite the hero being painted on here at the moment if those witness accounts are accurate. He could be the reason that the woman died, rather than recovered from her stab wounds.
Could also be that the driver saved many other deaths and injuries by disabling the knifeman, ormaybe the woman was the intended and only victim.
The bigger picture is what the powers will deliberate on.
We shall wait for the lumbering justice machine to clank into motion.
SmoothCriminal said:
Eye witness says the women's jacket was stuck under the wheels and the women was stabbed in the neck multiple times, doubt she was surviving that.
It’s all conjecture. We don’t know if the driver did a good or bad thing, we don’t know for certain that he was a complete stranger (that’s the presumption but not confirmed). The police have asked people not to speculate, so clearly details are very thin on the ground. There just seems to be an outright awarding of gallantry medals already. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff