UNSC permanent members

[Lily the Pink]

Ukraine has, with justification, called for Russia to be removed as a permanent member of the UN Security.

Is there a process for doing that?
Should the concept of permanent members be deleted?
If Russia is removed, what country should take their place?
Should UK and France retain their places?

[Murph7355]

Lily the Pink said:

Ukraine has, with justification, called for Russia to be removed as a permanent member of the UN Security.

Is there a process for doing that?
Should the concept of permanent members be deleted?
If Russia is removed, what country should take their place?
Should UK and France retain their places?

The concept is probably out of date. Certainly when members decide to start wars (not necessarily restricting that to Russia).

A good revamp of what the UN is and how it operates might not be a bad idea all round.

[Electro1980]

It should change but it won’t. Russia and China will veto any change and the U.K. US and France wouldn’t request it. They would happily get rid of Russia and probably China, but would fear what could happen if there weren’t able to veto.

[Mr E]

Lily the Pink said:

Is there a process for doing that?

I think the argument is that the USSR held a permanent seat. Realpolitik kind of meant Russia inherited it when the USSR stopped existing, but there was no real process for that.

I can’t see it happening TBH. But I thought they’d never invade…

[spikyone]

It was faintly ludicrous that the resolution the other day was vetoed by Russia themselves. If nothing else, the power of veto needs to be removed from a permanent member in situations where the resolution is directly related to their own actions.

[Previous]

Russia should remain part of it.

The actual purpose being more about providing avenues for communication to prevent MAD type conflict between the main nuclear armed nations, more than its stated purpose.

It achieves this fairly well, despite what is currently going on.

[Hill92]

Mr E said:

Lily the Pink said:

Is there a process for doing that?

I think the argument is that the USSR held a permanent seat. Realpolitik kind of meant Russia inherited it when the USSR stopped existing, but there was no real process for that.

I can’t see it happening TBH. But I thought they’d never invade…

Correct and there is a precedent with the People's Republic of China replacing the Republic of China by General Assembly vote in 1971.

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