May Local Elections

[turbobloke]

Local elections are about good local people doing a good job rather than national politics (not likely!) so what do PH crystal balls think?

[frisbee]

Options are incomplete, a lot of people will never vote Labour either locally or nationally but will protest vote against the current Tory stshow.

Liberal Democrats, Greens and independents are likely to benefit the most.

[Earthdweller]

It’s very different to national elections

Where my house in Lancashire is there’s a local councillor who is brilliant and really engaged and connected and gets loads of stuff done

He’d get my vote

Likewise a good mate of mine ( who lives in another town ) is a local councillor and he is very well regarded and highly respected locally and gets a lot done for the place

If I lived there I’d vote for him ( regardless that he’s a personal friend )

I’d vote for neither of their party’s in a GE

The first is labour and the second Libdem

[Cobracc]

Are there only 2 parties on the ballot paper..?

I think the Lib Dems will do very well.

[GetCarter]

Cobracc said:

Are there only 2 parties on the ballot paper..?

I think the Lib Dems will do very well.

Indeed... and someone here has voted Torys to gain 50 councils. What planet are they on?!

[turbobloke]

GetCarter said:

Cobracc said:

Are there only 2 parties on the ballot paper..?

I think the Lib Dems will do very well.

Indeed... and someone here has voted Torys to gain 50 councils. What planet are they on?!

There's no reason from the poll nor any intentional suggestion within it that LibDems can't gain or lose, it's looking at headline (potential) national politics impacting or not on local election results.

[johnboy1975]

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/politics/956279/uk-...

said:

Last week, pollster Find Out Now and election experts Electoral Calculus predicted an overall swing of 5% to Labour away from the Conservatives, with the governing party losing 800 councillors but no net loss of councils. It forecast that Labour would pick up about 22 councils

Seems optimistic?

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Local elections are about good local people doing a good job rather than national politics (not likely!) so what do PH crystal balls think?

Is that plea not to vote against Boris?

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Local elections are about good local people doing a good job rather than national politics (not likely!) so what do PH crystal balls think?

Is that plea not to vote against Boris?

Strange! No.

[bitchstewie]

If it isn't about national politics perhaps you need to include the parties that tend to do well locally and the independent option.

[MrGTI6]

After the last couple of years, I'm keen to see the Tories take an absolute battering. Hopefully a disastrous performance at the local elections will force some drastic changes.

[johnboy1975]

MrGTI6 said:

After the last couple of years, I'm keen to see the Tories take an absolute battering. Hopefully a disastrous performance at the local elections will force some drastic changes.

What changes though? Boris out, but then what? Labour seem devoid of ideas.

The majority of the problems have been caused by covid / our reaction, and have then been exacerbated by the Ukrainian conflict.

Everyone's on board with Ukraine. And labour wanted earlier/ longer / harder initial lockdown, and wanted additional measures imposed at xmas (over and above vaccine passports, which were a disgrace in themselves)

I suppose you could argue Brexit as a further factor. So should Boris's successor/ Labour be trying to get us back in??

(The locals are the wrong forum for this, but I can see why Labour and the Lib Dems are making national issues a key part of their campaign)

[turbobloke]

johnboy1975 said:

MrGTI6 said:

After the last couple of years, I'm keen to see the Tories take an absolute battering. Hopefully a disastrous performance at the local elections will force some drastic changes.

What changes though? Boris out, but then what? Labour seem devoid of ideas.

The majority of the problems have been caused by covid / our reaction, and have then been exacerbated by the Ukrainian conflict.

Everyone's on board with Ukraine. And labour wanted earlier/ longer / harder initial lockdown, and wanted additional measures imposed at xmas (over and above vaccine passports, which were a disgrace in themselves)

I suppose you could argue Brexit as a further factor. So should Boris's successor/ Labour be trying to get us back in??

(The locals are the wrong forum for this, but I can see why Labour and the Lib Dems are making national issues a key part of their campaign)

There's a certain logic to the Tories taking a beating in the local elections due to national politics and in particular, due to Boris and his various fiascos. That said I can't see how brexit is a major factor except to the nationally irrelevant LibDems. Nor covid, where the UK is 29th in the Statista table of per capita covid deaths. The only comparable tourist/business hubs to London are in the USA which like the UK would have had a tsunami of cases rather than a trickle in other backwaters. We're 12 places better off than USA and so far have done better than Belgium, Italy, Poland, Greece, Brazil (and as mentioned, the USA). The local elections will be about sending Boris a personal message, won't they?

[Biker 1]

Not sure I can be arsed to vote.

[Ivan stewart]

Hopefully the conssocialists do badly labour even worse and the LD’s a distant 3rd , the greens lose their deposits … and breathe !!!

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

johnboy1975 said:

MrGTI6 said:

After the last couple of years, I'm keen to see the Tories take an absolute battering. Hopefully a disastrous performance at the local elections will force some drastic changes.

What changes though? Boris out, but then what? Labour seem devoid of ideas.

The majority of the problems have been caused by covid / our reaction, and have then been exacerbated by the Ukrainian conflict.

Everyone's on board with Ukraine. And labour wanted earlier/ longer / harder initial lockdown, and wanted additional measures imposed at xmas (over and above vaccine passports, which were a disgrace in themselves)

I suppose you could argue Brexit as a further factor. So should Boris's successor/ Labour be trying to get us back in??

(The locals are the wrong forum for this, but I can see why Labour and the Lib Dems are making national issues a key part of their campaign)

There's a certain logic to the Tories taking a beating in the local elections due to national politics and in particular, due to Boris and his various fiascos. That said I can't see how brexit is a major factor except to the nationally irrelevant LibDems. Nor covid, where the UK is 29th in the Statista table of per capita covid deaths. The only comparable tourist/business hubs to London are in the USA which like the UK would have had a tsunami of cases rather than a trickle in other backwaters. We're 12 places better off than USA and so far have done better than Belgium, Italy, Poland, Greece, Brazil (and as mentioned, the USA). The local elections will be about sending Boris a personal message, won't they?

I think Brexit is an issue because it's happened so there's no need to vote for it.

[JagLover]

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Local elections are about good local people doing a good job rather than national politics (not likely!) so what do PH crystal balls think?

Is that plea not to vote against Boris?

It seems more the self evident point that local elections are a rather strange place to register a "protest vote" due to local councillors having considerable influence over your lives.

My own local council is known for being less anti-car than most (no speed cameras and not many speed humps). So I am quite happy for them to stay in place.

The European elections were always a great place to register a protest vote. We should perhaps replace them with a similarly meaningless election for the same purpose.

[turbobloke]

JagLover said:

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Local elections are about good local people doing a good job rather than national politics (not likely!) so what do PH crystal balls think?

Is that plea not to vote against Boris?

It seems more the self evident point that local elections are a rather strange place to register a "protest vote" due to local councillors having considerable influence over your lives.

Quite. The locals should be local affairs. However as Albert (not Gore) has indicated, reality is non-local.

Some people, and that's not aimed at you JL, see bias when it's nowhere in sight, presumably modelling their own bias, while forgetting that not joining in the silly Grrrr Boris hype really doesn't represent support for the PM when there's so much self-inflicted / incompetence that excessive playground antics aren't needed. When I've criticised the PM 'stewie jokes that my account has been hacked yet the same 'support' nonsense gets trotted out with tedious regularity.

I expect the May elections to contain a significant protest vote against Boris and wouldn't even attempt to dissuade anyone if that's what they wish to do, this poll thread was purely about putting the question to PH NP&E.

[rscott]

Ivan stewart said:

Hopefully the conssocialists do badly labour even worse and the LD’s a distant 3rd , the greens lose their deposits … and breathe !!!

So who would actually do well in that case?

[Jinx]

rscott said:

So who would actually do well in that case?

Independents?