Start a political party
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Bit of an expansive question i guess, but what would it take to form a serious political party?
The salesman in me sees a massive gap in the market - the vast majority of people don't seem to be able to connect with ANY political party and it's a case of just voting for the ones you hate the least.
IMO, you need a 'common' party, but without the racist overtones of others that have tried to connect to average joe.
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
If someone that got in made choices based on what was best for the people and not what would keep them in power for the next term, and didn't have any financial interests in anything that policy could change that would be a massive improvement already.
The salesman in me sees a massive gap in the market - the vast majority of people don't seem to be able to connect with ANY political party and it's a case of just voting for the ones you hate the least.
IMO, you need a 'common' party, but without the racist overtones of others that have tried to connect to average joe.
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
If someone that got in made choices based on what was best for the people and not what would keep them in power for the next term, and didn't have any financial interests in anything that policy could change that would be a massive improvement already.
Europe can pull successful new parties out of nowhere like Macron's.
Never, ever gonna happen in the UK.
If I saw 'Common Man Party' on my ballot sheet I'd automatically assume it was a bunch of bigoted cranks with criminal records like all the other ones.
Better to do a New Labour and pervert an existing party. The Lib Dems can be picked up for a low, low price.
Never, ever gonna happen in the UK.
If I saw 'Common Man Party' on my ballot sheet I'd automatically assume it was a bunch of bigoted cranks with criminal records like all the other ones.
Better to do a New Labour and pervert an existing party. The Lib Dems can be picked up for a low, low price.
Pixelpeep 135 said:
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
So you don't actually have any fundamental political philosophies of your own, no basic sense of what social and economic policies you believe would make a better society, and just plan to use focus groups to find out what populist policies would play best with the electorate at any particular time in order to achieve political power for your own ends?eharding said:
Pixelpeep 135 said:
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
So you don't actually have any fundamental political philosophies of your own, no basic sense of what social and economic policies you believe would make a better society, and just plan to use focus groups to find out what populist policies would play best with the electorate at any particular time in order to achieve political power for your own ends?
eharding said:
Pixelpeep 135 said:
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
So you don't actually have any fundamental political philosophies of your own, no basic sense of what social and economic policies you believe would make a better society, and just plan to use focus groups to find out what populist policies would play best with the electorate at any particular time in order to achieve political power for your own ends?
The current thing is more than broke, and if we keep thinking the same way it'll stay broke.
And those that think 'power' when they think politics should be kept as far away from the voting booths as possible.
Pixelpeep 135 said:
eharding said:
Pixelpeep 135 said:
how hard can it be, you need opinions and data from experts in every field, and then a cross section of population to form the best blend of how to make policy.
So you don't actually have any fundamental political philosophies of your own, no basic sense of what social and economic policies you believe would make a better society, and just plan to use focus groups to find out what populist policies would play best with the electorate at any particular time in order to achieve political power for your own ends?
Surely if someone has "political philosophies of their own" then you might not always be making the RIGHT decisions because of your bias.
The current thing is more than broke, and if we keep thinking the same way it'll stay broke.
And those that think 'power' when they think politics should be kept as far away from the voting booths as possible.
I agree that the system of just Labour and Conservatives is broken. Look at the https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/ these guys haven't done much.
It will be impossible to create a new party and ever have any influence.
Pixelpeep 135 said:
Surely if someone has "political philosophies of their own" then you might not always be making the RIGHT decisions because of your bias.
The current thing is more than broke, and if we keep thinking the same way it'll stay broke.
And those that think 'power' when they think politics should be kept as far away from the voting booths as possible.
Your inner salesman is focussing on what policies it thinks it can sell to the electorate at any particular time, rather than actually having the country's best interests at heart, and *that* is what's already broken about British politics. You're just trying to be a better snake oil salesman than the rest of them.
Pixelpeep 135 said:
Surely if someone has "political philosophies of their own" then you might not always be making the RIGHT decisions because of your bias.
The current thing is more than broke, and if we keep thinking the same way it'll stay broke.
And those that think 'power' when they think politics should be kept as far away from the voting booths as possible.
They are then told we can fix that if you vote for us, and the cycle continues....
The problem now is after 12 years they are creating the problems just to keep the hatred and fear going and it's all unravelling.
GreatGranny said:
The system isn't broke, the people in power are abusing the system for their own and their donors gain and using the right wing press to spread lies and create a society that is afraid of things they don't need to be afraid of.
They are then told we can fix that if you vote for us, and the cycle continues....
The problem now is after 12 years they are creating the problems just to keep the hatred and fear going and it's all unravelling.
Broke/f
ked/abused - how ever you want to spin it, it needs changing, and that isn't going to happen by looking at it how we always have.dundarach said:
I've often wondered about
The Government of Public Opinion (The GPO Party)
We would decide everything based on Facebook\Instagram\Twitter\PH polls.
e.g. Legalise drugs - public vote Eye \ Nah \ Abstain
To get something onto the polls, we'd use change.org etc.
What can go wrong
Already been done - the rise and rise of Michael Rimmer...The Government of Public Opinion (The GPO Party)
We would decide everything based on Facebook\Instagram\Twitter\PH polls.
e.g. Legalise drugs - public vote Eye \ Nah \ Abstain
To get something onto the polls, we'd use change.org etc.
What can go wrong
https://youtu.be/WT_prfYb6DE
its worth watching just for Valerie Leon in the first 10 minutes
bucksmanuk said:
dundarach said:
I've often wondered about
The Government of Public Opinion (The GPO Party)
We would decide everything based on Facebook\Instagram\Twitter\PH polls.
e.g. Legalise drugs - public vote Eye \ Nah \ Abstain
To get something onto the polls, we'd use change.org etc.
What can go wrong
The Government of Public Opinion (The GPO Party)
We would decide everything based on Facebook\Instagram\Twitter\PH polls.
e.g. Legalise drugs - public vote Eye \ Nah \ Abstain
To get something onto the polls, we'd use change.org etc.
What can go wrong
Already been done - the rise and rise of Michael Rimmer...
https://youtu.be/WT_prfYb6DE
its worth watching just for Valerie Leon in the first 10 minutes
The SDP gang of four were influential, although not in the way they wanted I think.
One opinion poll put them with around 40% support, but it didn't last. Other parties stole their clothes, or pretended to, and they were splitting the alternative vote. The amalgamation with the liberals was an admission of defeat, but had they succeeded in taking over the reigns, they probably would have been an effective third force. As it was the libdems managed 23% of the vote in 2010 to labour's 29 and tory's 36, which equated to <9% of the seats, compared to labour's <40% and tory's >47%.
If Glegg had avoided the disastrous coalition, who knows what might have been. Actually, we might know in a couple of years. There could well be a resurgence of the libdems, not because of anything different they are doing, but because of perceived poor performance by labour and dreadful performance by the tories. While I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote until near the election, I'm strongly favouring the libdems for the next GE.
One opinion poll put them with around 40% support, but it didn't last. Other parties stole their clothes, or pretended to, and they were splitting the alternative vote. The amalgamation with the liberals was an admission of defeat, but had they succeeded in taking over the reigns, they probably would have been an effective third force. As it was the libdems managed 23% of the vote in 2010 to labour's 29 and tory's 36, which equated to <9% of the seats, compared to labour's <40% and tory's >47%.
If Glegg had avoided the disastrous coalition, who knows what might have been. Actually, we might know in a couple of years. There could well be a resurgence of the libdems, not because of anything different they are doing, but because of perceived poor performance by labour and dreadful performance by the tories. While I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote until near the election, I'm strongly favouring the libdems for the next GE.
Ivan stewart said:
Eric Mc said:
No room in our system. If the SDP or UKIP couldn't make it, then no one can.
This !! At best any other party apart from labour or conservative is just there as a receptacle for protest votes .The real game changer would be proportional representation …
I'd much rather see effective proportional representation so more people feel their voices are heard.
By effective I mean a government that gets things done, rather than getting bogged down in political infighting, effectively sandbagging so that they 'win' next time round.
I doubt it will ever happen in the UK though. It will be a dilution of power for LAB/CON so they are completely against it. Both are happy to play the political merry go round and trade power every 20yrs when the public gets fed up. Rinse and repeat.
To launch an effective new political party you need bucketloads of cash and the media onside. They're happy funding the Tories at the mo'.
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