Electric London Transport buses destroyed by fire
Discussion
Scrump said:
My best guess is caused by a battery exploding in one of the electric vehicles while it was charging.
Apparently it wasn’t near the charge points when it caught fire, just sort of did it’s own thing and self-imolated taking a few other buses along with it.That particular part of the fleet has now been withdrawn pending investigation…
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
andy43 said:
Paris have pulled all theirs from service after fires. Not convinced they’re terribly environmentally friendly…
This one from a few weeks ago was quite spectacular.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Does that take into account the newness of the BEVs?BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
Let em burn !! Don’t think they have skips big enough to Dunk them in like they do for electric cars at the recovery compounds.. More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
oh and according to a electrician mate he thinks there will be plenty of house fires caused by badly fitted or faulty charging points.. so all good really..
Edited by Ivan stewart on Monday 23 May 11:19
One needs to ask merely how many diesel busses are out there and how many set fire and were destroyed in the last month?
Now ask the same question about electric ones.
If there is is a higher propensity for fires in the electric ones, care needs to be taken. Once a few people get inured in such a fire, it will make the BEV sell far more difficult IMO.
Mass numbers of vehicles in concentrated charging points also can lead to catastrophic chain reactions. The "Moto E" paddock for the electric Moto GP bikes was destroyed along will all infrastructure a few weeks before the first race back in (I think) 2020. (19? )
A similar smaller scale fire also happened at the IOM TT paddock but was thankfully confined to a smaller area and did not spread.
Now ask the same question about electric ones.
If there is is a higher propensity for fires in the electric ones, care needs to be taken. Once a few people get inured in such a fire, it will make the BEV sell far more difficult IMO.
Mass numbers of vehicles in concentrated charging points also can lead to catastrophic chain reactions. The "Moto E" paddock for the electric Moto GP bikes was destroyed along will all infrastructure a few weeks before the first race back in (I think) 2020. (19? )
A similar smaller scale fire also happened at the IOM TT paddock but was thankfully confined to a smaller area and did not spread.
There have been a number of occurrences of EVs spontaneously catching fire when a battery cell fails and combusts, even when not charging. I would suggest that is a worrying aspect of the technology that requires further investigation. The company I work for run a large fleet of diesel powered pick ups and vans, and I don't recall any occurrences in the last decade of one spontaneously combusting when parked up. There is now a push to get all the business drivers in cars and small vans into full EVs as part of the green initiative. I'll be sticking with my 20 year old diesel thanks - a well maintained older car is better for the planet than scrapping it and creating a new battery powered one.
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
A muppet parking an ICE in grass long enough to touch the exhaust isn’t really the same as an EV spontaneously combusting though.More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
Shopping Centre car parks tend not be a field that hasn’t been mown for a few weeks.
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
Well as it obviously wasn't a hot exhaust, and maybe wasn't arson I wonder if we can blame catastrophically sMore seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
t engineering of the electrics?But at least a bus *probably* doesn't lock you inside when it self immolates.
valiant said:
Scrump said:
My best guess is caused by a battery exploding in one of the electric vehicles while it was charging.
Apparently it wasn’t near the charge points when it caught fire, just sort of did it’s own thing and self-imolated taking a few other buses along with it.That particular part of the fleet has now been withdrawn pending investigation…
See the quote from the bus driver in the article.
I thought they should all have been trained on electric vehcle safety procedures. Maybe they shouldnt all be parked close together for one thing. That way you dont burn them all.
I can imagine a lot of slack jawed idiots just standing there waiting for it to catch the next vehicle on fire.
I can imagine a lot of slack jawed idiots just standing there waiting for it to catch the next vehicle on fire.
Jader1973 said:
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
A muppet parking an ICE in grass long enough to touch the exhaust isn’t really the same as an EV spontaneously combusting though.More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
Shopping Centre car parks tend not be a field that hasn’t been mown for a few weeks.
In the case of buses the issue is more likely that buses are made by frankly less competent organisations than volume produced cars. Outside of China the average electric bus is being manufactured in volumes of 10-100s. They have a tiny fraction of the engineering resources an automotive OEM has and they are working with unfamiliar technology. The millage that automotive OEMs put into car development is probably similar to a few years operation of most UK EV bus fleets.
Talksteer said:
Jader1973 said:
Max_Torque said:
OMG A BUS ON FIRE!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC
More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
A muppet parking an ICE in grass long enough to touch the exhaust isn’t really the same as an EV spontaneously combusting though.More seriously, yes, buses (and cars, and phones, laptops, toasters, etc etc) all occasionally catch fire, no matter what their energy source is.
BEV road vehicles are actually around 3 times LESS likely to experience a fire because the no2 global cause of vehicle fires is hot exhausts setting fire to dry grass and scrub (the no1 cause is arson btw).
Pretty soon these click bate headlines will dissappear as all vehicles become electric and old ICE vehicles will then very occasionally make the news in the same was as an old exploding tarction engine does........
Shopping Centre car parks tend not be a field that hasn’t been mown for a few weeks.
In the case of buses the issue is more likely that buses are made by frankly less competent organisations than volume produced cars. Outside of China the average electric bus is being manufactured in volumes of 10-100s. They have a tiny fraction of the engineering resources an automotive OEM has and they are working with unfamiliar technology. The millage that automotive OEMs put into car development is probably similar to a few years operation of most UK EV bus fleets.
Ivan stewart said:
The Wookie said:
Coach place next to our factory went up a year ago and took out their entire fleet, must have been 10 or 15 buses
None of them were electric, ironically was reputed to be a 12V electrical fault that caused it
Wonder what voltages the EV busses run on ??None of them were electric, ironically was reputed to be a 12V electrical fault that caused it
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