Wonder how much this new Toy has cost (us) the MOD?
Wonder how much this new Toy has cost (us) the MOD?
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poo at Paul's

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14,545 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61647134

Good to hear that those IT geniuses in Whitehall have something else to spunk our cash on.

Mrr T

14,755 posts

288 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Richard North pointed out that at the Jubilee parade the army had 250 horses. This means the UK Army now has more horses than tanks (221).

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,545 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Mrr T said:
Richard North pointed out that at the Jubilee parade the army had 250 horses. This means the UK Army now has more horses than tanks (221).
What's the problem. So 29 horses will have to share a tank with their mate...?

At least some Poindexter will be happily pissing about with a computer that doesn't actually do anything practical.

paulrockliffe

16,361 posts

250 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Mrr T said:
Richard North pointed out that at the Jubilee parade the army had 250 horses. This means the UK Army now has more horses than tanks (221).
Cool story, but we don't actually need tanks, whereas a quantum computer will be pretty much essential as soon as someone else has one that works.

That article is complete bks though.

bucksmanuk

2,400 posts

193 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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I suspect it may be used for work at Aldermaston
as its "run" by the MOD nowadays...

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,545 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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paulrockliffe said:
Cool story, but we don't actually need tanks, whereas a quantum computer will be pretty much essential as soon as someone else has one that works.


yes Same as a Time Machine

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

180 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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bucksmanuk said:
I suspect it may be used for work at Aldermaston
as its "run" by the MOD nowadays...
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment

paulrockliffe

16,361 posts

250 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Gecko1978 said:
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment
The issue with quantum computers is that they are so much faster that they would defeat non-quantum cryptography, for whoever gets there first it would be like removing everyone's passwords and having free access to anything connected to the internet. A bit more problematic than having to manage unemployment!

Jenny Tailor

1,727 posts

60 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Given that certain unnamed countries reknowned for cyber attacks have the odd quantum computer.
They have even developed a laser technology that land based comms to satellites to other satellites back to land can never be intercepted without them knowing.

I think it's quite right we should be investing in our security.

Future warfare will not rely on tanks etc.


Jim the Sunderer

3,261 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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"The MoD will work with Orca's small PT-1 quantum computer, which the company says is the first of its kind to be able to operate at room temperature, rather than require sub-zero surroundings to keep heat-sensitive qubits cool."

I like the BBC saying they want to keep the data cool and not the hardware.

paulrockliffe

16,361 posts

250 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Jim the Sunderer said:
"The MoD will work with Orca's small PT-1 quantum computer, which the company says is the first of its kind to be able to operate at room temperature, rather than require sub-zero surroundings to keep heat-sensitive qubits cool."

I like the BBC saying they want to keep the data cool and not the hardware.
The thing is it's the BBC who don't understand any of this paraphrasing the University of Sussex, who also don't understand any of this.

robemcdonald

9,735 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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I didn’t think quantum computers actually worked yet.


TheInternet

5,154 posts

186 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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poo at Paul's said:
some Poindexter will be happily pissing about with a computer that doesn't actually do anything practical.
See the back of your £50 note for an example of how this looks.

Murph7355

40,860 posts

279 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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paulrockliffe said:
Gecko1978 said:
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment
The issue with quantum computers is that they are so much faster that they would defeat non-quantum cryptography, for whoever gets there first it would be like removing everyone's passwords and having free access to anything connected to the internet. A bit more problematic than having to manage unemployment!
Which pre-supposes there'll be a massive period of time between the "good guys" having the technology and the "bad guys" not having it...

I still think it's not a bad use of their time and funding. "Cyber" will be (likely already is) a big part of modern warfare.

As for more automation meaning less jobs...people have been saying that since the wheel was invented. We are nothing if not creative in keeping ourselves busy. But nature will have its way with our species at some point...it's experimenting at the moment, with consumerism, health impacts of automation, dicking about with viruses etc...but when nature gets serious (increasing our longevity etc) then we're screwed no matter what smile

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

67 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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TheInternet said:
See the back of your £50 note for an example of how this looks.
As they say in Beverley Hills:

Axel Foley: You got a fifty dollar bill?
Jon Flint: I got a wife and three kids. I haven't seen a fifty in twelve years.


InitialDave

14,327 posts

142 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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poo at Paul's said:
Mrr T said:
Richard North pointed out that at the Jubilee parade the army had 250 horses. This means the UK Army now has more horses than tanks (221).
What's the problem. So 29 horses will have to share a tank with their mate...?
This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

robemcdonald

9,735 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Murph7355 said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gecko1978 said:
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment
The issue with quantum computers is that they are so much faster that they would defeat non-quantum cryptography, for whoever gets there first it would be like removing everyone's passwords and having free access to anything connected to the internet. A bit more problematic than having to manage unemployment!
Which pre-supposes there'll be a massive period of time between the "good guys" having the technology and the "bad guys" not having it...

I still think it's not a bad use of their time and funding. "Cyber" will be (likely already is) a big part of modern warfare.

As for more automation meaning less jobs...people have been saying that since the wheel was invented. We are nothing if not creative in keeping ourselves busy. But nature will have its way with our species at some point...it's experimenting at the moment, with consumerism, health impacts of automation, dicking about with viruses etc...but when nature gets serious (increasing our longevity etc) then we're screwed no matter what smile
Definitely. My understanding is If you had a functional quantum computer you could win the war without firing a bullet.


take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

7,276 posts

78 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Jenny Tailor said:
Given that certain unnamed countries reknowned for cyber attacks have the odd quantum computer.
They have even developed a laser technology that land based comms to satellites to other satellites back to land can never be intercepted without them knowing.

I think it's quite right we should be investing in our security.

Future warfare will not rely on tanks etc.
No need to be cryptic. The Chinese are one of the leaders in QE comms. They had it working from ground to sat in the last decade.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-s...



Mr Whippy

32,171 posts

264 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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robemcdonald said:
Murph7355 said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gecko1978 said:
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment
The issue with quantum computers is that they are so much faster that they would defeat non-quantum cryptography, for whoever gets there first it would be like removing everyone's passwords and having free access to anything connected to the internet. A bit more problematic than having to manage unemployment!
Which pre-supposes there'll be a massive period of time between the "good guys" having the technology and the "bad guys" not having it...

I still think it's not a bad use of their time and funding. "Cyber" will be (likely already is) a big part of modern warfare.

As for more automation meaning less jobs...people have been saying that since the wheel was invented. We are nothing if not creative in keeping ourselves busy. But nature will have its way with our species at some point...it's experimenting at the moment, with consumerism, health impacts of automation, dicking about with viruses etc...but when nature gets serious (increasing our longevity etc) then we're screwed no matter what smile
Definitely. My understanding is If you had a functional quantum computer you could win the war without firing a bullet.
Unless the enemy just doesn't use a network to connect everything?

And then you lose the war because you spent all your money on a computer, while they have non IoT men with non IoT guns hehe


I get the point of quantum computers, and they need to explore them to see what they might be able to do with them... but the biggest issue with all computing is the data IO.
To ask a quantum computer something that you want a specific and reliable answer from, it'll need to have a lot of information.

Indeed, to give a fully reliable answer it'll need to know the state of the universe before calculating, and to know the state of the universe it'll have to measure it, which will change the answer... oh noes.

Quantum computing will be very unlikely to give the ability to win a war without ever firing a bullet.

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

180 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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paulrockliffe said:
Gecko1978 said:
From the article and my primitive understanding it won't be used for anything it will be developed with the MOD and experiments carried out into the technology we are a long way from using quantum computers. But let's say I. 20 years we can...self driving vehicles will be a thing...so you know more unemployment
The issue with quantum computers is that they are so much faster that they would defeat non-quantum cryptography, for whoever gets there first it would be like removing everyone's passwords and having free access to anything connected to the internet. A bit more problematic than having to manage unemployment!
Not really as the security will be developed hand in hand especially given its defence application