Jacob Rees Mogg and MPs attendance
Discussion
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/t...
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/t...
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
How would that show when they are at their desks? Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
Civil Servants in the main have one desk, and it's not at home.
Edited to add....
I used to work there, I'm not even sure you needed to use the swipe to get in. Some entrances were visually checked by police. It's been a while though.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 14:53
Matthen said:
How disappointingly predictable.
I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
How does that work for their constituency office, or department office not on the parliamentary estate? Is say the MP for Tyneside meant to spend their entire working week/year in the House of Commons?I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
MP's of all colours have multiple offices.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 16:47
98elise said:
Matthen said:
How disappointingly predictable.
I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
How does that work for their constituency office, or department office not on the parliamentary estate? Is say the MP for Tyneside meant to spend their entire working week/year in the House of Commons?I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
MP's of all colours have multiple offices.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 16:47
She basically gave Boris her vote and rarely attends parliament, spends most of her time in Oxford where she lives.
I'd welcome a record of how much time she spends talking to constituents or parliament.
If I send her office, closed, an e-mail asking a question they respond with a demand I prove, to the closed office, in person, that I live in the constituency.
Guy Fawkes, the only person who ever entered parliament with honest intentions.
stitched said:
98elise said:
Matthen said:
How disappointingly predictable.
I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
How does that work for their constituency office, or department office not on the parliamentary estate? Is say the MP for Tyneside meant to spend their entire working week/year in the House of Commons?I can't see how it's a security issue to release this - we don't care about absolute times, we want to see the number of hours they're "in" every week.
Classic cover up by those in power.
MP's of all colours have multiple offices.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 16:47
She basically gave Boris her vote and rarely attends parliament, spends most of her time in Oxford where she lives.
I'd welcome a record of how much time she spends talking to constituents or parliament.
If I send her office, closed, an e-mail asking a question they respond with a demand I prove, to the closed office, in person, that I live in the constituency.
Guy Fawkes, the only person who ever entered parliament with honest intentions.
I would also think that given a couple of MP's have been murdered in recent years, data about their comings and goings in HoP should not be in the public domain
What does an MP's contract say about working hours and place of work vs civil servants?
JRM is a pillock; that should go without saying, but for the sake of clarity and because it's cathartic, I'm being explicit.
Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting s
t-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.
Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy bd" index, but you can't.
Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting s
t-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy b
d" index, but you can't.98elise said:
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/t...
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
How would that show when they are at their desks? Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
Civil Servants in the main have one desk, and it's not at home.
When were you last in? Before jacking last year they were down to 70% desk space probably even less now.
You could waste 20 minutes each day so over an hour and a half each week just walking round 2 floors to find a 'hot desk' and it's getting worse.
speedyguy said:
98elise said:
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/t...
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
How would that show when they are at their desks? Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
Civil Servants in the main have one desk, and it's not at home.
When were you last in? Before jacking last year they were down to 70% desk space probably even less now.
You could waste 20 minutes each day so over an hour and a half each week just walking round 2 floors to find a 'hot desk' and it's getting worse.
stitched said:
Mine, Stroud, has an office in Stroud, I've seen her in attendance once.
She basically gave Boris her vote and rarely attends parliament, spends most of her time in Oxford where she lives.
I'd welcome a record of how much time she spends talking to constituents or parliament.
If I send her office, closed, an e-mail asking a question they respond with a demand I prove, to the closed office, in person, that I live in the constituency.
Guy Fawkes, the only person who ever entered parliament with honest intentions.
She seems quite active...She basically gave Boris her vote and rarely attends parliament, spends most of her time in Oxford where she lives.
I'd welcome a record of how much time she spends talking to constituents or parliament.
If I send her office, closed, an e-mail asking a question they respond with a demand I prove, to the closed office, in person, that I live in the constituency.
Guy Fawkes, the only person who ever entered parliament with honest intentions.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?pid=25838&a...
ATG said:
JRM is a pillock; that should go without saying, but for the sake of clarity and because it's cathartic, I'm being explicit.
Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting st-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.
Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy bd" index, but you can't.
Not just PCH. Many MP's have parliamentary offices in other buildings around Westminster, and Ministers have offices in the department they work for (no idea if it's all Ministers though).Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting s
t-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy b
d" index, but you can't.98elise said:
shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/t...
Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
How would that show when they are at their desks? Surely JRM would want the electorate to see how many times Members of Parliament were at their desks?
He wants the civil service to be in the office rather than at home but MPs attendance at the office is a "security matter."
SD.
Civil Servants in the main have one desk, and it's not at home.
Edited to add....
I used to work there, I'm not even sure you needed to use the swipe to get in. Some entrances were visually checked by police. It's been a while though.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 14:53
ATG said:
JRM is a pillock; that should go without saying, but for the sake of clarity and because it's cathartic, I'm being explicit.
Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting st-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.
Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy bd" index, but you can't.
Well said.Moving on to the "used their pass" data, it wouldn't tell the public anything useful, so there is no good reason to make it public. Indeed it's more likely to be misused to create an inaccurate picture, so it's in the public interest not to release this stuff.
There is no correlation between using your pass and doing work. They spend half their time in their constituencies, and 99% of what they can do from a desk in Portcullis House, they can do from anywhere. And just because they're inside Parliament or PCH, it doesn't mean they're working. They might be in a bar getting s
t-faced. They might even be napping in the Commons dreaming about Nanny.Their participation in debates and their voting record is already in the public domain. That data is accurate and easy to interpret and measures something useful. It'd be nice if one could construct a "lazy b
d" index, but you can't.The public they serve also get a clear opportunity, at least every 5yrs, to provide feedback on how well they're doing.
I'd question the motives of those wanting this.
98elise said:
I used to work there, I'm not even sure you needed to use the swipe to get in. Some entrances were visually checked by police. It's been a while though.
All entrances are blocked by secure gates with armed police which to get through you either need to swipe a pass + pin, or have a visitor badge and be escorted at all times.Edited by 98elise on Thursday 16th June 14:53
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