Rail Travel - The end of the "Return" ticket
Rail Travel - The end of the "Return" ticket
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rjfp1962

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9,058 posts

95 months

Ari

19,752 posts

237 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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I used to use the train a lot. During Covid, when train companies started demanding face masks, I switched to using the car for longer journeys and I've never actually switched back.

I can't remember the last time I went by train anywhere.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

178 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Posted without comment? And from The Sun?

Most other countries in Europe don't use such a silly system as the return. It's not a help when our single journey tickets are so expensive.


devnull

3,847 posts

179 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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did return tickets ever offer a discount? I'm not sure they did. I noticed post covid that the advance tickets were purchasable later to the departure time, so was able to secure single way first class advances (GWR) at better prices. not sure i'll miss the return ticket.

Randy Winkman

20,654 posts

211 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Single tickets were always a stupid price compared with returns. It does make more sense to pay for what you use in that respect. Though I do like a daily cap like with Oyster, so I'm nots sure my view is consistent.

Drumroll

4,361 posts

142 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Just done a quick check single train journey was 10p cheaper than the buying a return ticket

valiant

13,221 posts

182 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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devnull said:
did return tickets ever offer a discount? I'm not sure they did. I noticed post covid that the advance tickets were purchasable later to the departure time, so was able to secure single way first class advances (GWR) at better prices. not sure i'll miss the return ticket.
Quite often they are heavily discounted. It’s not unusual to have your outbound at whatever price and the return leg at 10p.

If they average out the return price and charge that as two singles then it shouldn’t cause too much ruckus but if their intention is to use this as a stealth ticket rise by simply charging twice the existing fare then it will make it too expensive for many to travel.

At a time when returning passenger numbers are leisure led, it will be a shot in the foot to drive those valuable passengers away by stealth increases.

number2

4,981 posts

209 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Drumroll said:
Just done a quick check single train journey was 10p cheaper than the buying a return ticket
Yup, usually about the same price as a single. They could do with sorting out the mess of multiple operators with different charging and ticket validity etc.

If single tickets don't halve in price that's a nail in the coffin for rail travel. Notwithstanding business use I guess.

Do many people buy one way tickets now?

Randy Winkman

20,654 posts

211 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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number2 said:
Drumroll said:
Just done a quick check single train journey was 10p cheaper than the buying a return ticket
Yup, usually about the same price as a single. They could do with sorting out the mess of multiple operators with different charging and ticket validity etc.

If single tickets don't halve in price that's a nail in the coffin for rail travel. Notwithstanding business use I guess.

Do many people buy one way tickets now?
I'm a keen walker and sometimes get a train to one place, then walk to somewhere else with a station and get the train home. Annoying at the moment if I have to buy two single tickets.

bigpriest

2,283 posts

152 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Buying a Return ticket resulted in you having two individual tickets anyway - Outward and Return. Price rise on the way or a better way to monitor passenger journeys?

alangla

6,228 posts

203 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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bigpriest said:
Buying a Return ticket resulted in you having two individual tickets anyway - Outward and Return. Price rise on the way or a better way to monitor passenger journeys?
If the trial on LNER is anything to go by, the former. You can bet that the off-peak single won’t be half the price of the off-peak return.

Mr Pointy

12,768 posts

181 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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alangla said:
bigpriest said:
Buying a Return ticket resulted in you having two individual tickets anyway - Outward and Return. Price rise on the way or a better way to monitor passenger journeys?
If the trial on LNER is anything to go by, the former. You can bet that the off-peak single won’t be half the price of the off-peak return.
I've just checked - to travel three stops down the line into my local town is £3.50 single, £4.60 return.

I confidently expect that the cost of a single ticket will fall to £2.30.

alangla

6,228 posts

203 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Mr Pointy said:
alangla said:
bigpriest said:
Buying a Return ticket resulted in you having two individual tickets anyway - Outward and Return. Price rise on the way or a better way to monitor passenger journeys?
If the trial on LNER is anything to go by, the former. You can bet that the off-peak single won’t be half the price of the off-peak return.
I've just checked - to travel three stops down the line into my local town is £3.50 single, £4.60 return.

I confidently expect that the cost of a single ticket will fall to £2.30.
I’ll say £3. Apparently some recent changes on Avanti altered singles to be 70% of the return price.

survivalist

6,090 posts

212 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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The train journeys I usually take don’t offer much (if any) of a saving by booking a return, although the majority are for work and at peak times. I’m told that off-peak / leisure travel is where the saving is.

Suspect it’s a mix of trying to simplify ticketing and raising prices without ‘officially’ putting up prices.

Getragdogleg

9,821 posts

205 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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If i take a train its always on a return basis. So What i see is likely here is single tickets will cost "X" and you will pay both ways meaning it will cost more overall.

Lets face it, its not going to get cheaper is it? Got to pay all those extra wages after the strikes are successful somehow haven't we ?

ridds

8,366 posts

266 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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And when the "return" ticket option vanishes, what do you compare it to?

Daft idea, unworkable and will just make the cost of train journeys more expensive.

More profit for the operators who receive massive subsidies from the tax payer already.

rjfp1962

Original Poster:

9,058 posts

95 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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GroundEffect said:
Posted without comment? And from The Sun?

Most other countries in Europe don't use such a silly system as the return. It's not a help when our single journey tickets are so expensive.
No comment as I haven't used the railways in over 2 decades....

Here's The Evening Standard link which may provide an alternative view.....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/return-train-ti...

survivalist

6,090 posts

212 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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ridds said:
And when the "return" ticket option vanishes, what do you compare it to?

Daft idea, unworkable and will just make the cost of train journeys more expensive.

More profit for the operators who receive massive subsidies from the tax payer already.
The cost of road / air travel just as we do now. There are some areas where alternatives are not practical (travel
Into large cities, for example) but in most cases they are competing with car travel.

I’ve yet to meet any colleagues who use public transport to get to our Manchester office, despite it being a very short walk away from train and tram stops.

brickwall

5,327 posts

232 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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So I’m going to go against the grain here and say this is a good thing.

The train ticketing system is grossly over-complicated and in many cases nonsensical. A simple rule saying “a return is simply 2 singles” is a very easy way to simplify, and is very common across Europe.

Switzerland has this exact system.

The actual price of the ticket is a separate issue. The argument applies whether a tickets were 10p or £1,000.

I agree there’s a big debate about who should make how much money and how much taxpayer subsidy should go in…all valid but a separate discussion.


fathomfive

11,004 posts

212 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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I buy two advance singles when I travel to York to go to the office.
They're half the price of a day return to use the same trains.