Vapes to be banned in Australia

[Upinflames]

Has to be a step forward doesn't it. Here next I hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/vapes-recre...

[GT3Manthey]

Upinflames said:

Has to be a step forward doesn't it. Here next I hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/vapes-recre...

No harm in banning the illegal dangerous vapes but ultimately those using vapes will likely to return to smoking cigarettes.

[ben5575]

Oxford University said:

Dr Jamie Hartmann-Boyce, Associate Professor at Oxford's Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences, Editor of the Cochrane Tobacco Addiction Group, and an author of the new publication, said: 'Electronic cigarettes have generated a lot of misunderstanding in both the public health community and the popular press since their introduction over a decade ago. These misunderstandings discourage some people from using e-cigarettes as a stop smoking tool. Fortunately, more and more evidence is emerging and provides further clarity. With support from Cancer Research UK, we search for new evidence every month as part of a living systematic review. We identify and combine the strongest evidence from the most reliable scientific studies currently available.

'For the first time, this has given us high-certainty evidence that e-cigarettes are even more effective at helping people to quit smoking than traditional nicotine replacement therapies, like patches or gums.'

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-11-17-e-cigarettes-are-more-effective-nicotine-replacement-therapy-helping-smokers-quit

Got to be a backward step doesn't it?

[egomeister]

ben5575 said:

Oxford University said:

Dr Jamie Hartmann-Boyce, Associate Professor at Oxford's Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences, Editor of the Cochrane Tobacco Addiction Group, and an author of the new publication, said: 'Electronic cigarettes have generated a lot of misunderstanding in both the public health community and the popular press since their introduction over a decade ago. These misunderstandings discourage some people from using e-cigarettes as a stop smoking tool. Fortunately, more and more evidence is emerging and provides further clarity. With support from Cancer Research UK, we search for new evidence every month as part of a living systematic review. We identify and combine the strongest evidence from the most reliable scientific studies currently available.

'For the first time, this has given us high-certainty evidence that e-cigarettes are even more effective at helping people to quit smoking than traditional nicotine replacement therapies, like patches or gums.'

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-11-17-e-cigarettes-are-more-effective-nicotine-replacement-therapy-helping-smokers-quit

Got to be a backward step doesn't it?

Exactly, it's a retrograde step which disincentives one of the best pathways to give up smoking.

[GliderRider]

GT3Manthey said:

Upinflames said:

Has to be a step forward doesn't it. Here next I hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/vapes-recre...

No harm in banning the illegal dangerous vapes but ultimately those using vapes will likely to return to smoking cigarettes.

It does seem bizarre that the product more harmful to non-users is the less restricted.
I would be less cynical about this action if the Australian government banned cigarettes or made them prescription only too.

[otolith]

Upinflames said:

Has to be a step forward doesn't it. Here next I hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/vapes-recre...

Why?

[the-norseman]

My cousin who just turned 18 vapes, I said to him the other week would you smoke cigarettes and he said no, he's gone from nothing to vaping.

[phil-sti]

They need to ban disposable vapes in my opinion. we are supposed to be moving towards reducing wsate yet we have masses of plastic with batteries in getting thrown per day.

[djc206]

egomeister said:

Exactly, it's a retrograde step which disincentives one of the best pathways to give up smoking.

They’re still going to be available for that purpose. Just go to your doctor and get a prescription. It’s worth it given that cigarettes are close to £1 each in Oz.

This ban is aimed at stopping kids from going from nothing to vaping. That seems like a noble plan but I’m sure it will have flaws.

[AB]

I can see an argument for getting rid of disposables, especially as I'm told they are all the highest nicotine content. That and I believe the number causing fires as they're crushed at a waste disposal centre of worrying.

As a concept I agree with vaping.

Australia used to be a cool place full of cool people. Now it's run by idiots. They'll be banned as they miss the tax revenue.

[Fermit]

GT3Manthey said:

Upinflames said:

Has to be a step forward doesn't it. Here next I hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/vapes-recre...

No harm in banning the illegal dangerous vapes but ultimately those using vapes will likely to return to smoking cigarettes.

This, completely this. I vape. It keeps me off my cigarette addiction. They're not perfect, but they don't fill my lungs with tar.

[Evanivitch]

They need to be control what's available, including strength, flavours, advertising, batteries, and where they are and not permitted.

But they are an improvement on tobacco.

[HustleRussell]

GliderRider said:

It does seem bizarre that the product more harmful to non-users is the less restricted.
I would be less cynical about this action if the Australian government banned cigarettes or made them prescription only too.

[Citation needed]

[otolith]

Sounds like they are already prescription only in Oz, but they are increasing enforcement. Would make more sense to make tobacco prescription only.

[egomeister]

djc206 said:

egomeister said:

Exactly, it's a retrograde step which disincentives one of the best pathways to give up smoking.

They’re still going to be available for that purpose. Just go to your doctor and get a prescription. It’s worth it given that cigarettes are close to £1 each in Oz.

This ban is aimed at stopping kids from going from nothing to vaping. That seems like a noble plan but I’m sure it will have flaws.

You are still putting barriers up to people moving from a high risk product to a much less risky one rather than encouraging it.

I get that discouraging kids from taking it up is important, and there's good arguments to ban disposables but this kind of regulation feels misguided - nanny state at its best.

[NerveAgent]

Evanivitch said:

They need to be control what's available, including strength, flavours, advertising, batteries, and where they are and not permitted.

But they are an improvement on tobacco.

I’d rather not have to walk through clouds of bubblegum scented smoke from a chav pipe.

[V8covin]

Vaping to stop smoking is a good thing but there's a whole generation of youth vaping that weren't smokers because....well I guess because it's the trendy thing to do with your peers.
Vaping isn't healthy though is it and in years to come I can foresee an epidemic of disease caused by vaping.
Does anyone know what chemicals they're inhaling? I doubt it

[Master Of Puppets]

Plenty of cancer causing smoke and fumes in the environment without voluntarily sucking even more into your precious lungs.

[dundarach]

Should be banned because they look fking stupid.

Otherwise don't care.

[djc206]

egomeister said:

You are still putting barriers up to people moving from a high risk product to a much less risky one rather than encouraging it.

I get that discouraging kids from taking it up is important, and there's good arguments to ban disposables but this kind of regulation feels misguided - nanny state at its best.

Yeah I can see both sides of the argument.

Australia is the original nanny state so this is consistent with their approach to everything else. For a nation that prides itself on being tough they do seem to like to be sheltered from risk.