Met officer cleared of GBH
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Bigends

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Thursday 11th May 2023
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dudleybloke

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208 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Why did he run?

Don Roque

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181 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Not running from the police is a good way to avoid hurting yourself like this.

pork911

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205 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Why is the video clipped?
(Am I doing it right?)

Mojooo

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202 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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When taser were first brought in I believe it was a case of only used in limited situations as a last resort

Over time they seem to be being used as a bog standard first resort in many situations

What was the need to tase him when he was running away? I also wondered whether they are trainline on when and when not to tase to avoid situations like this.

I would agree of course its efficient just to tase everyone who is either coming at you or running away from you - but is that the national policy we want?

MBVitoria

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245 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Mojooo said:
When taser were first brought in I believe it was a case of only used in limited situations as a last resort

Over time they seem to be being used as a bog standard first resort in many situations

What was the need to tase him when he was running away? I also wondered whether they are trainline on when and when not to tase to avoid situations like this.

I would agree of course its efficient just to tase everyone who is either coming at you or running away from you - but is that the national policy we want?
It's hard to understand why he tasered a man that was running away, especially when it appears that they only wanted to question him.

SlimJim16v

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165 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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It seems the taser is being used as a crutch by st cops, instead of a last resort.

captain_cynic

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117 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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dudleybloke said:
Why did he run?
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.

Running or not, police still need cause to use force.

What is your clearance, citizen?

Hugo Stiglitz

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233 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Why didn't he holster it when running?

KAgantua

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153 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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This is why cops shouldnt have guns in this country, itll become like America. Running away? Shoot em, Looking at me funny? Shoot em.

He was never going to get convicted and we know it.

Mastodon2

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187 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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It seems running away was a bad decision, perhaps if he had stood still and answered the questions the outcome would have been different.

BikeBikeBIke

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137 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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captain_cynic said:
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.
"running away from them, climbing on top of a wheelie bin and scrambling on to an adjacent wall".

Type R Tom

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171 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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BikeBikeBIke said:
captain_cynic said:
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.
"running away from them, climbing on top of a wheelie bin and scrambling on to an adjacent wall".
In the middle of the covid lock down, technically he was breaking the law if not work, exercise, shopping etc. which he could have explained to them.

pork911

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205 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Type R Tom said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
captain_cynic said:
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.
"running away from them, climbing on top of a wheelie bin and scrambling on to an adjacent wall".
In the middle of the covid lock down, technically he was breaking the law if not work, exercise, shopping etc. which he could have explained to them.
i wasn't aware of an assumption of law breaking unless and until give a persuasive account to an officer of the state

dudleybloke

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208 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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pork911 said:
i wasn't aware of an assumption of law breaking unless and until give a persuasive account to an officer of the state
Running from the law is rarely a sign of innocence and certainly looks suspicious.

pork911

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205 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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dudleybloke said:
pork911 said:
i wasn't aware of an assumption of law breaking unless and until give a persuasive account to an officer of the state
Running from the law is rarely a sign of innocence and certainly looks suspicious.
depends how often you have had bad encounters with police

dudleybloke

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Friday 12th May 2023
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pork911 said:
dudleybloke said:
pork911 said:
i wasn't aware of an assumption of law breaking unless and until give a persuasive account to an officer of the state
Running from the law is rarely a sign of innocence and certainly looks suspicious.
depends how often you have had bad encounters with police
Been stopped when driving and on foot more times than I can remember in my teens and 20's due to being out late, never gave any attitude and never had a problem.
I wonder if he had a record before this.

Type R Tom

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171 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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pork911 said:
Type R Tom said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
captain_cynic said:
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.
"running away from them, climbing on top of a wheelie bin and scrambling on to an adjacent wall".
In the middle of the covid lock down, technically he was breaking the law if not work, exercise, shopping etc. which he could have explained to them.
i wasn't aware of an assumption of law breaking unless and until give a persuasive account to an officer of the state
Under covid, wasn't leaving house without a reasonable excuse breaking the law? How do you give that excuse without telling an officer? He wouldn't have broke his neck with a quick "off to work mate" reply.

Earthdweller

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148 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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MrBogSmith said:
As the kids say these days, "fk around, find out".

KAgantua said:
This is why cops shouldnt have guns in this country
1000 of police have guns.

Doesn't happen.
Facts rather than hyperbole:

There were 18,259 firearms operations in the year ending 31 March 2022, similar to the previous year (18,245).

The two largest police forces accounted for 32% of these operations: Metropolitan Police Service (17%) and West Midlands Police (15%).

Of the 18,259 operations, 92% (16,853) involved an Armed Response Vehicle (ARV), the same proportion as the previous year (92%). There has been a gradual increase in the proportion of operations involving ARVs since records began in the year ending 31 March 2009 (81%).

There were 4 incidents in which police firearms were intentionally discharged, the same as the previous year.

Oliver Hardy

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96 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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captain_cynic said:
dudleybloke said:
Why did he run?
Ahh yes, an automatic assumption of guilt that he didn't meekly submit.

Running or not, police still need cause to use force.

What is your clearance, citizen?
I really don't see a difference between using a tazer on someone running away and sending a dog adter them?