Crash with space saver spare wheel
Crash with space saver spare wheel
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Skeptisk

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8,897 posts

131 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Saw this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/07/dr...

I am surprised it doesn’t happen more often. I’ve seen quite a number of people using the spare wheels permanently, rather than intended (ie just to get you to a garage to have your tyre repaired or replaced).


Riley Blue

22,838 posts

248 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Misleading title; not all spare wheels are spacer savers. Some are identical to the four road wheels, some are steel wheels with the same tyres as the road wheels. Both are safe to drive on permanently.

BertBert

20,822 posts

233 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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what is misleading about the title?

Blib

47,080 posts

219 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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BertBert said:
what is misleading about the title?
I assumed that the title referred to a regular spare, rather than a space saver.

However, I'm old enough to remember Jesus when all cars had regular spares and so my brain is wired to reference in this way.

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Skeptisk

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8,897 posts

131 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Blib said:
BertBert said:
what is misleading about the title?
I assumed that the title referred to a regular spare, rather than a space saver.

However, I'm old enough to remember Jesus when all cars had regular spares and so my brain is wired to reference in this way.

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Sorry. You a right that space saver would have been a better title. Unfortunately I can’t alter it.

x5tuu

12,666 posts

209 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Im only 41 and remember back in the 80s when lots of cars had small skinny wheels and tyres and "space savers" are not a million miles from these, and those vehicles werent limited to Xmph because of it (although cars were lighter and more often than not littered with tin-worm / speed-holes)

Ive always felt that the ludicrously low speed warnings on space-savers are just another element of our nanny state unless there is some specific engineering reason in their construct that makes them unsafe for normal travelling speeds?

GolfDragon

265 posts

89 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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I think if all four wheels are the same size it would be less of an issue.

But if you have three regular sized wheels and one space saver, the corner with the space saver will be quite unbalanced and less stable due to the smaller surface area (hence the speed restriction and the loss of control in the video)

Skeptisk

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8,897 posts

131 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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x5tuu said:
Im only 41 and remember back in the 80s when lots of cars had small skinny wheels and tyres and "space savers" are not a million miles from these, and those vehicles werent limited to Xmph because of it (although cars were lighter and more often than not littered with tin-worm / speed-holes)

Ive always felt that the ludicrously low speed warnings on space-savers are just another element of our nanny state unless there is some specific engineering reason in their construct that makes them unsafe for normal travelling speeds?
The size of wheels and tyres on cars is not random. The larger, heavier and more powerful the car the bigger the tyres. A 800 kg car from the 80s with 80 bhp doesn’t need the same tyres as a 1600 kg car with 200 bhp.

But more importantly you want to have the traction and grip evened out. If you need to rely on the tyres eg sharp change of direction or heavy braking I can’t see how it wouldn’t affect the car’s handling badly if you the grip available on one wheel is a quarter of the grip on the other three.

M11rph

1,030 posts

43 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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x5tuu said:
...Ive always felt that the ludicrously low speed warnings on space-savers are just another element of our nanny state unless there is some specific engineering reason in their construct that makes them unsafe for normal travelling speeds?
Having one wheel with a much smaller contact patch significantly reduces the vehicle's braking and stability capability.

ABS and stability control systems will sense the loss of grip on that wheel under what would be moderate normal braking and intervene much earlier. Many driver's, like in the video, simply don't anticipate or know how to react correctly.

So, whilst the physical construction of the tyre is safe at higher speeds, the effect on braking and stability means travelling at a lower speed is appropriate.

98elise

31,200 posts

183 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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x5tuu said:
Im only 41 and remember back in the 80s when lots of cars had small skinny wheels and tyres and "space savers" are not a million miles from these, and those vehicles werent limited to Xmph because of it (although cars were lighter and more often than not littered with tin-worm / speed-holes)

Ive always felt that the ludicrously low speed warnings on space-savers are just another element of our nanny state unless there is some specific engineering reason in their construct that makes them unsafe for normal travelling speeds?
Surely you can see that having completely mismatched wheels and tyres across an axle is a problem for braking, grip and traction?

Just checked the specs, our space saver is 125mm and needs to be inflated to 60psi. The contact patches will be very different.

Edited to add...

You only have to look at the video to see how poorly the Mondeo held the road with a space saver on. The driver was being a dick but the car shouldn't have been all over the road like that.

Edited by 98elise on Sunday 8th October 13:34

5s Alive

2,623 posts

56 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Looks like Jack 'the lad' Doolan was also brake checking on his Pontefract cake tyre. I'd say a lobotomy was in order but the evidence points to it having been done already.

I'm surprised that morons like him ever manage to pass the driving test.

Puddenchucker

5,344 posts

240 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Skeptisk said:
The size of wheels and tyres on cars is not random. The larger, heavier and more powerful the car the bigger the tyres. A 800 kg car from the 80s with 80 bhp doesn’t need the same tyres as a 1600 kg car with 200 bhp.
True, but these days wheel/tyre assemblies appear to be sized as much for fashion as physics.

bimsb6

8,571 posts

243 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Can you get an mot with a spacesaver tyre fitted ?

gt40steve

1,145 posts

126 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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bimsb6 said:
Can you get an mot with a spacesaver tyre fitted ?
No.

TriumphStag3.0V8

5,042 posts

103 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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Looks very much like the camera car was hogging Lane 3 and the Mondeo driver tried a "punishment" swerve in front of him and cocked it up.

Driving off is the ultimate act of bellendery after causing that accident.

Feel sorry for the people in the Fiesta.

Evo Six

1,285 posts

154 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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bimsb6 said:
Can you get an mot with a spacesaver tyre fitted ?
No you cannot and I'm sure all skinny space savers are restricted to 50 mph ,they are either painted bright red or yellow or have a sticker attached .
If you choose to ignore this the OP video is likely .

TVRBRZ

565 posts

111 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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A few years ago I noticed that the local courier who worked for Amazon and Hermes had a spare saver wheel in lieu of a full size. At first I was philosophical and thought kindly that on his low income he would need some time to get the cash and time off to replace it.

A few weeks later he delivered to me and I remarked on his space saver in a genial "oh, sorry to see you've had a puncture " and was non-committal in his reply.

A few more months of seeing him around the village using it, culminating in another delivery to us. So I thought, what if it is a child he kills because he can't brake or steer properly. And I dobbed him in to Hermes who I had the parcel delivered through...

"Please rate your driver ....well he is driving illegally and has been for months because...."

Next time I saw him, full size tyre. Judge me as you will!

Zarco

20,071 posts

231 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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bimsb6 said:
Can you get an mot with a spacesaver tyre fitted ?
Only if you have a matching set.

Zarco

20,071 posts

231 months

Dogwatch

6,358 posts

244 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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98elise said:
Just checked the specs, our space saver is 125mm and needs to be inflated to 60psi.


Edited by 98elise on Sunday 8th October 10:09
Wonder how often anyone checks the space saver under all the clutter in the boot?