Skripal Inquiry
Discussion
Crazy that the paramedic intended to give Sergei naloxone (for opioid overdose), but knocked his bag over an accidentally gave him "atropine" instead, which is perfect for use for nerve agent poisonings!
The other interesting new info is a boy was given bread by Sergei to feed some ducks, and reported being "unwell" for a day or two after:
https://news.sky.com/story/boy-fell-ill-after-sali...
The other interesting new info is a boy was given bread by Sergei to feed some ducks, and reported being "unwell" for a day or two after:
https://news.sky.com/story/boy-fell-ill-after-sali...
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Interesting…. So what is your explanation for what occurred then? It was rather more than two people affected, including Dawn Sturgess, who died after using the perfume bottle.Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Looking forward to your version of the truth…
The really odd detail that stands out to me is a consultant looking after Yulia Skripal, Dr Stephen Cockcroft, was admonished by his medical director Dr Christine Blanchard, for talking to her about what might have happend and taken off the intensive care unit rota by medical director for being 'unprofessional'
If talking to our patients about what happened before they got unwell is 'unprofessional', I think doctors might going to struggle helping people.
Be interesting to see if they put Blanchard in the witness box.
If talking to our patients about what happened before they got unwell is 'unprofessional', I think doctors might going to struggle helping people.
Be interesting to see if they put Blanchard in the witness box.
Nigel_O said:
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Interesting…. So what is your explanation for what occurred then? It was rather more than two people affected, including Dawn Sturgess, who died after using the perfume bottle.Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Looking forward to your version of the truth…
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
In conjunction with the below it does seem odd:Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
"Crazy that the paramedic intended to give Sergei naloxone (for opioid overdose), but knocked his bag over an accidentally gave him "atropine" instead, which is perfect for use for nerve agent poisonings!"
But then, would all those people (including a random paramedic) be able to keep silent forever and what would be gained from such a conspiracy?
andyA700 said:
I have no idea what the truth is, but I am pretty sure it isn't the "Grimm fairytale" served up to us.
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
Of course the truth is perfectly capable of being stranger than fiction and this case just happens to be one of those examplesI suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
andyA700 said:
I have no idea what the truth is, but I am pretty sure it isn't the "Grimm fairytale" served up to us.
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I would imagine they were poisoned in Salisbury, 'a place near Porton Down' because that's where they lived. It's right in the middle of spta, so no big surprise they were found by an army nurse.I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
andyA700 said:
Nigel_O said:
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Interesting…. So what is your explanation for what occurred then? It was rather more than two people affected, including Dawn Sturgess, who died after using the perfume bottle.Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Looking forward to your version of the truth…
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
As much as it's healthy to be skeptical, I'm not sure "I have no idea, but I am pretty sure..." doesn't seem like a great alternative to the 'government / BBC'.
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Got enough tinfoil?
Super Sonic said:
andyA700 said:
I have no idea what the truth is, but I am pretty sure it isn't the "Grimm fairytale" served up to us.
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I would imagine they were poisoned in Salisbury, 'a place near Porton Down' because that's where they lived. It's right in the middle of spta, so no big surprise they were found by an army nurse.I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I enjoyed the conspiracy theory, though.
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Breaking this down a bit:Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen),
- Why does that happen?
interacts with other people - none of whom are affected
- you now know this is wrong, correct?
then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights
- do you think perhaps that when you are under the influence of a nerve agent, it might not cause you to collapse at the exact same point, but you might start to lose the ability to deal with the situation at a similar point which ultimately then results in you collapsing, but at different times? (put simply, I don't think anybody is claiming that they collapsed at the same time).
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army
- Obviously if this was a conspiracy theory then this is presumably the item which is so unbelievable that it is put in so that people can say "this part is so unbelievable it must make it true"? (the government wouldn't be so stupid to put the Chief Nursing Officer in the location if it was a conspiracy). Or perhaps it is just coincidence mixed with the higher probability that people in distress are approached by people with a medical background/
in a place that is not too far from Porton Down
- I think this is where the Skripals lived? Where should they have been poisoned?
BikeBikeBIke said:
Super Sonic said:
andyA700 said:
I have no idea what the truth is, but I am pretty sure it isn't the "Grimm fairytale" served up to us.
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I would imagine they were poisoned in Salisbury, 'a place near Porton Down' because that's where they lived. It's right in the middle of spta, so no big surprise they were found by an army nurse.I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I enjoyed the conspiracy theory, though.
Super Sonic said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Super Sonic said:
andyA700 said:
I have no idea what the truth is, but I am pretty sure it isn't the "Grimm fairytale" served up to us.
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I would imagine they were poisoned in Salisbury, 'a place near Porton Down' because that's where they lived. It's right in the middle of spta, so no big surprise they were found by an army nurse.I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
I enjoyed the conspiracy theory, though.
andyA700 said:
Nigel_O said:
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Interesting…. So what is your explanation for what occurred then? It was rather more than two people affected, including Dawn Sturgess, who died after using the perfume bottle.Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Looking forward to your version of the truth…
I suppose none of the above, which I posted, seems strange to you.
However, if you feel like accepting anything our government/BBC throw at us, then crack on.
andyA700 said:
I didn't believe anything from the "Skripal story" from the beginning, it was all too unbelievable.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
Two people, get poisoned, by the most dangerous nerve agent known to man, by both touching the front door (doesn't happen), then goes out for a few hours, contaminating various places in Salisbury, interacts with other people - none of whom are affected - then collapse on a park bench at the same time, despite being different sexes/ages/comorbities/weights.
They are then found by the head nurse of the British army, who just happens to be passing, in a place that is not too far from Porton Down. where they test and use (on the British public) various, nasty stuff.
I trust that the people who believe this, also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.
But presumably you do believe that these two fine Russian gentlemen travelled 4700 miles from Moscow to Salisbury, purely to visit the wonderful cathedral?
Edited by Mont Blanc on Friday 1st November 15:11
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