National Enquiry into Rape Gangs

[gruffalo]

The Times is reporting that Oldhams request for an independant national enquirey has been blocked by the government.

My personal thoughts are that an enquirey is long ovrrdue and should go ahead as a mayter of priority.

What are others views?

[bitchstewie]

Iain Dale did an hour on this last night and IIRC Jess Phillips asked the last Government to hold one into abuse in Telford and the Government said no it was a matter for Telford.

Now the boot is on the other foot and Jess Phillips is saying it's a matter for Oldham (specifically in this case I think) to hold one.

There was an independent inquiry and it seems the outcomes and recommendations still haven't been implemented.

There seems to be lots of politics involved.

[grumbledoak]

I think we have a significant shortfall of justice and accountability in this area.

But all an Inquiry is going to achieve is officially kicking the can twenty years down the road.

[Sheets Tabuer]

I'd have thought if we can have a public inquiry investigating peoples voicemails being listened to then we can certainly have an enquiry about the systematic rape of hundreds, if not thousands of children.

[cliffe_mafia]

It's only worth having one if those in power that enabled and covered up the atrocities go to prison.

[s1962a]

Yes, have the enquiry. Make sure all the services that didn't protect those poor victims are held to account.

[gruffalo]

s1962a said:

Yes, have the enquiry. Make sure all the services that didn't protect those poor victims are held to account.

Including the head of the CPS at the time?

What does "held to account" actually mean in something like this?

Edited by gruffalo on Friday 3rd January 09:53

[s1962a]

gruffalo said:

s1962a said:

Yes, have the enquiry. Make sure all the services that didn't protect those poor victims are held to account.

Including the head of the DPP at the time?

What does "held to account" actually mean in something like this?

If I was running the enquiry (I know nothing about enquirys), I would start with the police and social services - what they knew and how they responded, and why they didn't try to intervene and protect the girls they knew were being abused.

[swisstoni]

I’ll just leave Jess Philips official job title here, as I think it’s relevant:

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls

[markh1973]

bhstewie said:

Iain Dale did an hour on this last night and IIRC Jess Phillips asked the last Government to hold one into abuse in Telford and the Government said no it was a matter for Telford.

Now the boot is on the other foot and Jess Phillips is saying it's a matter for Oldham (specifically in this case I think) to hold one.

There was an independent inquiry and it seems the outcomes and recommendations still haven't been implemented.

There seems to be lots of politics involved.

This is just another example of politicians playing games. In opposition they say/support one thing and in Government they have an alternative view.

You could argue that the Tory position of not supporting a public inquiry when in Government and then being in favour of one when in opposition is the more hypocritical position given that if you thought it was that important then you should have already done something about it.

[Otispunkmeyer]

bhstewie said:

Iain Dale did an hour on this last night and IIRC Jess Phillips asked the last Government to hold one into abuse in Telford and the Government said no it was a matter for Telford.

Now the boot is on the other foot and Jess Phillips is saying it's a matter for Oldham (specifically in this case I think) to hold one.

There was an independent inquiry and it seems the outcomes and recommendations still haven't been implemented.

There seems to be lots of politics involved.

Basically. It doesn't matter what the tie colour, no one is coming out of an inquiry into this smelling of roses. Ergo, they don't want to do it and will deflect the request to whomever.

[grumbledoak]

swisstoni said:

I’ll just leave Jess Philips official job title here, as I think it’s relevant:

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls

and Tony Blair was a Middle East Peace Envoy. These titles don't mean what they say.

[Chris Peacock]

Otispunkmeyer said:

bhstewie said:

Iain Dale did an hour on this last night and IIRC Jess Phillips asked the last Government to hold one into abuse in Telford and the Government said no it was a matter for Telford.

Now the boot is on the other foot and Jess Phillips is saying it's a matter for Oldham (specifically in this case I think) to hold one.

There was an independent inquiry and it seems the outcomes and recommendations still haven't been implemented.

There seems to be lots of politics involved.

Basically. It doesn't matter what the tie colour, no one is coming out of an inquiry into this smelling of roses. Ergo, they don't want to do it and will deflect the request to whomever.

Quite.

Which is all rather disgusting really. When you think an enquiry could help us reduce the number of our children being raped, and hold to account those responsible.

[Pickled Piper]

swisstoni said:

I’ll just leave Jess Philips official job title here, as I think it’s relevant:

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls

Phillips is a hugely compromised Politician. She narrowly held on to her seat at the last election against a candidate standing on a Pro Palestinian platform. Since then, she will not say or do anything that could be remotely construed as negative by her Muslim constituents.

It's a real shame. About 10 to 15 years ago she won a lot of local support by standing up to an aggressive group of Muslim parents that were trying to oust a gay Head Teacher from a Birmingham Primary school. She got a reputation as a tough Brummy that wouldn't be bullied and would do the right thing for all her constituents.

[williamp]

swisstoni said:

I’ll just leave Jess Philips official job title here, as I think it’s relevant:

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding Violence Against Women and Girls

Amended that for you.

Sadly, these victims are just used as political footballs. Nothing will ever happen as too many in positions of authority were, or are still involved.

I do wonder what's happening NOW that we dont know about, and wont know about until its too late/doesn't matter anymore/ times have moved on

America has it at the moment: all the stuff they hid about Biden for years is now coming out, and no-one in the US media has much to say about it.

[andyA700]

Pickled Piper said:

swisstoni said:

I’ll just leave Jess Philips official job title here, as I think it’s relevant:

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls

Phillips is a hugely compromised Politician. She narrowly held on to her seat at the last election against a candidate standing on a Pro Palestinian platform. Since then, she will not say or do anything that could be remotely construed as negative by her Muslim constituents.

It's a real shame. About 10 to 15 years ago she won a lot of local support by standing up to an aggressive group of Muslim parents that were trying to oust a gay Head Teacher from a Birmingham Primary school. She got a reputation as a tough Brummy that wouldn't be bullied and would do the right thing for all her constituents.

The same Jess Philips, who compared the hundreds of New Year sex attacks on women in Cologne, by migrants, to an evening out in Birmingham.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-3...

[Police State]

gruffalo said:

s1962a said:

Yes, have the enquiry. Make sure all the services that didn't protect those poor victims are held to account.

Including the head of the CPS at the time?

What does "held to account" actually mean in something like this?

Edited by gruffalo on Friday 3rd January 09:53

Assume there are individuals that are guilty of crimes, pursue them with institutional energy and vigour. Present evidence and have them explain/defend themselves in open enquiry/court. Convict and sentence them.

[Condi]

Police State said:

Assume there are individuals that are guilty of crimes, pursue them with institutional energy and vigour. Present evidence and have them explain/defend themselves in open enquiry/court. Convict and sentence them.

Name checks out.....

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? And are you talking about police or social services, or the men who have already been convicted and sent prison for doing despicable things?

markh1973 said:

You could argue that the Tory position of not supporting a public inquiry when in Government and then being in favour of one when in opposition is the more hypocritical position given that if you thought it was that important then you should have already done something about it.

Quite. Badenoch is doing quite a lot of that at the moment, seemingly ignoring the fact they had 14 years to do something about it and now it's not their responsibility are making a lot of noise.



Anyway, there have been about 3 or 4 enquiries, with recommendations still not implemented. What good would a national enquiry do, which those already completed have missed? Genuine question, we've already spent millions on reviews, enquiries, committees and reports, so what do we achieve spending a few million more?

[s1962a]

Police State said:

gruffalo said:

s1962a said:

Yes, have the enquiry. Make sure all the services that didn't protect those poor victims are held to account.

Including the head of the CPS at the time?

What does "held to account" actually mean in something like this?

Edited by gruffalo on Friday 3rd January 09:53

Assume there are individuals that are guilty of crimes, pursue them with institutional energy and vigour. Present evidence and have them explain/defend themselves in open enquiry/court. Convict and sentence them.

Yes, anyone complicit or "in charge" of the services that the enquiry finds let down their victims.

[Jasandjules]

Yes. But as we know the people who ought to be held to account don't want to be so it won't go ahead.. Yet.

This is why we need a wholesale change of governance.