One Of Our Submarines Is Woke

[Halmyre]

Surprised this hasn't been discussed already.

Astute-class submarine HMS Agincourt to be renamed HMS Achilles.

Navy submarine name change is woke nonsense, says Shapps

[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86375y545yo]King involved in 'woke' name change of Agincourt submarine
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Sounds reasonable, Agincourt is of no relevance to certain parts of the UK...

[ALawson]

That boat will be guaranteed to break down with obvious connotations with the famous Greek warrior.

[Gordon Hill]

A submarine that needs a "safe space" when it's being fired at.

[Super Sonic]

Is it going to be submerged in the Styx?

[2xChevrons]

Such blatant clickbait and st-stirring by raising the spectre of 'woke'.

Astute Hull 7 hasn't been 'renamed', because it hasn't been officially named or commissioned as anything yet. The original name proposed was Ajax, then that got changed to Agincourt and now the selected name is Achilles. Plenty of RN ships get new names on the drawing board or the stocks.

Achilles is a name with far more naval heritage (two Leander-class ships - cruiser and frigate-, the Battle of the River Plate, an ironclad and some Age of Sail vessels) than a battle that took place on land centuries before the RN existed.

All the nonsense about not wanting to offend the French is pure speculation and suggestion by people in search of clicks. Nothing official. Maybe it's to curry favour with New Zealand in the age of AUKUS and the Indo-Pacific tilt? Maybe the person in charge of picking names just preferred to keep the classical theme?

But it's much more profitable to blame Woke, of course.

[Dingu]

Halmyre said:

Surprised this hasn't been discussed already.

Astute-class submarine HMS Agincourt to be renamed HMS Achilles.

Navy submarine name change is woke nonsense, says Shapps

[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86375y545yo]King involved in 'woke' name change of Agincourt submarine
[/url]

Sounds reasonable, Agincourt is of no relevance to certain parts of the UK...

Grant Shapps having any airtime is the main nonsense here.

[valiant]

The irony of Grant Schapps complaining about a change of name.

[biggbn]

valiant said:

The irony of Grant Schapps complaining about a change of name.

He's always been a bit of a heel...

[Panamax]

Achilles is a daft name to choose. In anything resembling modern times the word is most usually encountered in the phrase "Achilles heel". Let's have quick google,

Oxford.
noun: Achilles heel

a weakness or vulnerable point.
"The Achilles heel of the case for nuclear power remains the issue of the disposal of waste."

Cambridge
noun: Achilles heel

a small problem or weakness in a person or system that can result in failure.
"Maths has always been my Achilles heel."

[PlywoodPascal]

It will remind people of tendons which is hardly intimidating is it
Can’t they give it a scary name
Like hms terrible

Edited by PlywoodPascal on Wednesday 29th January 21:30

[Dingu]

Panamax said:

Achilles is a daft name to choose. In anything resembling modern times the word is most usually encountered in the phrase "Achilles heel". Let's have quick google,

Oxford.
noun: Achilles heel

a weakness or vulnerable point.
"The Achilles heel of the case for nuclear power remains the issue of the disposal of waste."

Cambridge
noun: Achilles heel

a small problem or weakness in a person or system that can result in failure.
"Maths has always been my Achilles heel."

Famously the name is impactful to the mechanics of the vessel.

[Scrimpton]

PlywoodPascal said:

It will remind people of tendons which is hardly intimidating is it
Can’t they give it a scary name
Like hms terrible

Edited by PlywoodPascal on Wednesday 29th January 21:30

We've got a Warspite incoming which sounds pretty badass. Certainly better than some old battle in France or a Dutch football team

[PlywoodPascal]

What about hms cArtiledge
Or maybe hms gristle
Hms ligament

[Countdown]

Panamax said:

Achilles is a daft name to choose. In anything resembling modern times the word is most usually encountered in the phrase "Achilles heel". Let's have quick google,

Oxford.
noun: Achilles heel

a weakness or vulnerable point.
"The Achilles heel of the case for nuclear power remains the issue of the disposal of waste."

Cambridge
noun: Achilles heel

a small problem or weakness in a person or system that can result in failure.
"Maths has always been my Achilles heel."

IIRC Achilles was the greatest of the Greek warriors so I think it’s a reasonable name for a warship.

[miniman]

The economy is fked, we can’t maintain roads, railways or our health system, our Government consists of incapable cretins, and we’re fking about debating what to call a boat?

[Tankrizzo]

We obviously didn't care that much when we named the entire T-boat fleet after Trafalgar!

[GliderRider]

There are plenty of under-used 'A' names from which the navy could have chosen;

HMS Apologetic
HMS Anxious
HMS Apprehensive

In a similar vein, the Fleet Air Arm has previously operated Grumman Wildcats and Hellcats, what about a Northrop Grumman Scaredycat?

[Evanivitch]

Was kinda hoping the AJAX platform would get a 105/120mm variant called ACHILLES and they remove the rear hatch.

[MBBlat]

GliderRider said:

There are plenty of under-used 'A' names from which the navy could have chosen;

HMS Apologetic
HMS Anxious
HMS Apprehensive

In a similar vein, the Fleet Air Arm has previously operated Grumman Wildcats and Hellcats, what about a Northrop Grumman Scaredycat?

The Fleet Air Arm never operated Grumman Wildcats, they used the Grumman Martlet. The Grumman Hellcat was nearly the Grumman Gannet.

Before the official naming ceremony ship names are merely placeholders and subject to change.

[768]

Didn't Achilles get done in by Paris?

Is someone having a laugh with that rename, given it seems it was to spare French blushes?