Police in court for collision with e motorcycle

[normalbloke]

The details of this just made my jaw drop.Check out the previous.

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/police-off...

[tim0409]

The Police officer deserves a commendation rather than facing a criminal conviction. If we have any hope of turning the general lawlessness around, then I think we need to be a bit tougher on scum like this.

[Nurburgsingh]

tim0409 said:

The Police officer deserves a commendation rather than facing a criminal conviction. If we have any hope of turning the general lawlessness around, then I think we need to be a bit tougher on scum like this.

^this

[oyster]

tim0409 said:

The Police officer deserves a commendation rather than facing a criminal conviction. If we have any hope of turning the general lawlessness around, then I think we need to be a bit tougher on scum like this.

But you defend lawlessness from the very people who are supposed to enforce the law?

I'm sorry, I think the boys on the ebike are indeed scum, but we should be dealing with them properly within the law. And if the extent of the law (or more likely the justice system) isn't sufficient, then that is where efforts should go - not in seeking or justifying vigilante justice.

If he's found guilty, this police officer will have a criminal record, lose his job, possible lose some/all of his pension. Your defence (and that of others no doubt to follow in this thread) of his actions are literally of no help to him whatsoever.

[Nomme de Plum]

oyster said:

tim0409 said:

The Police officer deserves a commendation rather than facing a criminal conviction. If we have any hope of turning the general lawlessness around, then I think we need to be a bit tougher on scum like this.

But you defend lawlessness from the very people who are supposed to enforce the law?

I'm sorry, I think the boys on the ebike are indeed scum, but we should be dealing with them properly within the law. And if the extent of the law (or more likely the justice system) isn't sufficient, then that is where efforts should go - not in seeking or justifying vigilante justice.

If he's found guilty, this police officer will have a criminal record, lose his job, possible lose some/all of his pension. Your defence (and that of others no doubt to follow in this thread) of his actions are literally of no help to him whatsoever.

Spot on.

The law must be enforced lawfully. The whole basis of policing by consent relies on this.

[Sporky]

"The jury was shown video footage of the incident which showed the electric motorcycle turning into the path of the police car a few seconds before the vehicle collides with the e-bike."

Probably right that this is going to trial, but much of the earlier comments 8n the story are from the aforementioned scum.

Possibly best to wait for a fuller picture before choosing a side.

[andburg]

in short the serial offender made a bunch of claims about the officer, there is nothing from the force or officer involved about the recorded and evidenced chain of events

trial continues where transcripts of radio and video may well show the statements made by the "victim" to be absolutely without merit

not worth the click to generate ad revenue for the press

[JagLover]

The police were able to knock criminal moped riders off their bikes in London and there were lots of stories about it.

So I suppose this will come down to whether this was justified to stop them committing crimes if a deliberate act by the policeman.

[JagLover]

oyster said:

But you defend lawlessness from the very people who are supposed to enforce the law?
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Were the police knocking the criminals on mopeds off their bikes "lawless"?. You seem to be assuming a great deal.

Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 5th February 15:49

[tim0409]

oyster said:

tim0409 said:

The Police officer deserves a commendation rather than facing a criminal conviction. If we have any hope of turning the general lawlessness around, then I think we need to be a bit tougher on scum like this.

But you defend lawlessness from the very people who are supposed to enforce the law?

I'm sorry, I think the boys on the ebike are indeed scum, but we should be dealing with them properly within the law. And if the extent of the law (or more likely the justice system) isn't sufficient, then that is where efforts should go - not in seeking or justifying vigilante justice.

If he's found guilty, this police officer will have a criminal record, lose his job, possible lose some/all of his pension. Your defence (and that of others no doubt to follow in this thread) of his actions are literally of no help to him whatsoever.

I’m not defending or encouraging lawlessness; it should be within the law for an officer to use reasonable force to stop an illegally ridden e-bike/motorbike that is failing to stop before they go on to pose a greater danger to the public. If the result of that is a broken bone or worse, then perhaps it will act as a deterrent to others who wish to break the law. I assumed these sort of manoeuvres were now allowed due to a change in police guidance?

I am not some frothing vigilante, but clearly the court system is not much of a deterrent because if they are not pursued then the chance of getting caught is slim, which is why they do it and will continue to do it. I would much rather a more robust approach to this sort of thing (within the law) if we have any chance of tackling endemic anti social/criminal behaviour. As it stands, we only have the word of a criminal with 40 previous convictions, so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Rushjob]

oyster said:

But you defend lawlessness from the very people who are supposed to enforce the law?

I'm sorry, I think the boys on the ebike are indeed scum, but we should be dealing with them properly within the law. And if the extent of the law (or more likely the justice system) isn't sufficient, then that is where efforts should go - not in seeking or justifying vigilante justice.

If he's found guilty, this police officer will have a criminal record, lose his job, possible lose some/all of his pension. Your defence (and that of others no doubt to follow in this thread) of his actions are literally of no help to him whatsoever.

Errrr, stopping an e-bike or motorcycle using tactical contact has been and daily is used as a legal means of ending a pursuit / arresting offenders.

How are the officers actions lawless?

It may be that the officer wasn't authorised for that level of involvement, but it also is possible that he was...

That's for the Court to decide having heard all of the relevant evidence.

It's also highly possible that the officer was thrown under the proverbial Clapham Omnibus so that senior officers in the force involved can wash their hands of any decision making that may be a blot on their CV rather than them saying NFA.....

The simple answer is we don't know yet.

[richhead]

this really gets me riled, scrote has tens of arrests, is driving illegal bike with no license insurance etc, turns infront of a car, get run over, what a pitty never mind.
moved a pin in his leg, probably from a similar stunt.
in my view the copper is a hero.

[JMGS4]

richhead said:

this really gets me riled, scrote has tens of arrests, is driving illegal bike with no license insurance etc, turns infront of a car, get run over, what a pitty never mind.
moved a pin in his leg, probably from a similar stunt.
in my view the copper is a hero.

Not necessarily a hero IMHO
BUT
due to lax socialist do-gooder judges (and parliaments/laws) a scrote gets away with anything these days...
can (may have) lead to a short-circuit with an officer (although it shouldn't)
We need to bring back Borstals, the birch to teach these scallies a bit of respect and FEAR of the law....

In my day if caught doing something (in my case scrumping apples) you got a clip around the ear and were taken home by said beat copper, and then got further punishment from parents....
parents/teachers and the law now say "oh poor lil brat, brought up wrong, therefore let him off" ......WRONG in every aspect!!

[Sporky]

I think there may be a useful middle ground between a metaphorical slap on the wrist and an actual beating.

[mwstewart]

Deserved. I support ramping up use of force by police to make criminals think twice. Less "mate" and more truncheon.

[Sheepshanks]

The only thing wrong with it is the drain on the NHS fixing them up again. A clean kill would have benefitted wider society.

[Red9zero]

I can see why he did it, as it must be so frustrating to see the little scrotes constantly taunting you and getting away with it. There are a couple of them near us, black modded Suron`s, black tracksuits, black balaclava`s in all weather, just racing round playing chicken with cars and tearing up the grass. The other day one came round a corner on the wrong side of the road towards me when I was in my old Landie. I braked, but a part of me just though "What if ?". Luckily I am not a Police officer and I can't imagine the discipline they must have at times. My niece is undergoing her Police training at the moment and I really fear for her. Luckily she is very level headed and calm and has already been out to some pretty nasty situations, but I can't imagine it.

[rscott]

If the video shows the officer was attempting to stop the vehicle, with lights/sirens on, then I'd think he stands a chance of being acquitted.

But if it just shows him driving into the back with no warning, then I can't see any justification.

[poo at Paul's]

Pair of pumpers

[J4CKO]

Is it just be or are scrotes often given surnames as a first name these days ?

Mason, Riley, Jaxon etc.

Sick of these little s on electric bikes thinking they can get away with anything, I know a paramedic and apparently quite a few are mangling themselves on them. People come off bikes but these things will do high speeds, very quickly, often in inappropriate places with inexperienced, rash riders with no safety gear or sense of self preservation.