State Schools, times a changing?

[Tom8]

Whilst we have discussed at length the uncertainty of private schools due to the spite tax on children, we should also consider the future of state education especially with a politician who probably isn't as bright as most of the kids in the schools she is in charge of.

Seems our most successful state headmistress is very concerned about state education as labour once again aims down.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/britain-s-st...

Where will state schools be after 5 years of Labour?

[Countdown]

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

[chemistry]

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

[Countdown]

chemistry said:

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

It would be good to see the citation for that (I had a look and couldn't find it). On the KS4 tables the Michaela School is reasonably good but certainly nowhere near the best in the Country.

ETA some scores here.

https://snobe.co.uk/schools/michaela-community-sch...

Edited by Countdown on Thursday 6th February 11:29

[London424]

Countdown said:

chemistry said:

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

It would be good to see the citation for that (I had a look and couldn't find it). On the KS4 tables the Michaela School is reasonably good but certainly nowhere near the best in the Country.

ETA some scores here.

https://snobe.co.uk/schools/michaela-community-sch...

Edited by Countdown on Thursday 6th February 11:29

You have a strange view of ‘nowhere near’ than most then.

Progress 8 results

https://www.insidermedia.com/news/all/englands-top...

[vaud]

Countdown said:

It would be good to see the citation for that (I had a look and couldn't find it). On the KS4 tables the Michaela School is reasonably good but certainly nowhere near the best in the Country.

ETA some scores here.

https://snobe.co.uk/schools/michaela-community-sch...

I wouldn't trust that site, it seems to be an AI bot. Checked out our local grammar school and it is wrong on a number of topics - e.g. ofsted out of date and founding date out by 400 years....

[POIDH]

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

Indeed, she is 'successful' in my view by focussing only on a spreadsheet of results, by forcing children to become robots, lacking social skills, lacking problem solving, removing all privileges and forcing them to smile. There are huge misgivings in education circles about the way she goes about the process of education. I pity any child who has to endure one of her schools, and I pity the staff too.

Bullsh*t article from crap sources aimed as clickbait for those stupid enough to click on it.

[vaud]

POIDH said:

Indeed, she is 'successful' in my view by focussing only on a spreadsheet of results, by forcing children to become robots, lacking social skills, lacking problem solving, removing all privileges and forcing them to smile. There are huge misgivings in education circles about the way she goes about the process of education. I pity any child who has to endure one of her schools, and I pity the staff too.

Bullsh*t article from crap sources aimed as clickbait for those stupid enough to click on it.

The ethos of our daughters secondary is "helping the child become the best they can be" and while academically excellent and outstanding in every category for Ofsted, they are focused on the overall development of the child rather than x number went to Oxbridge, etc

[Shooter McGavin]

chemistry said:

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

She strikes me as an absolute nut job, a narcissist full of her own self-importance, I wouldn't send my kid to any school she is connected with.

[POIDH]

vaud said:

The ethos of our daughters secondary is "helping the child become the best they can be" and while academically excellent and outstanding in every category for Ofsted, they are focused on the overall development of the child rather than x number went to Oxbridge, etc

Exactly. Come to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and there is huge focus on creating rounded individuals, who are contributors to society, healthy, happy, environmentally literate, creative, problem solvers AND good academic achievement.

England is increasingly an extreme education system, with teachers working AGAINST such silly people and the policies they are expected to work in. It is demoralising and explains a lot why so many teachers are existing the career.

Unfortunately there are so many ill-informed politicians and parents who think the only measure of success is pen in hand, sat at a desk, one day of exam assessment and a top university. They accept PISA and political point scoring, they swallow crap like the OPs link.

[vaud]

POIDH said:

Exactly. Come to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and there is huge focus on creating rounded individuals, who are contributors to society, healthy, happy, environmentally literate, creative, problem solvers AND good academic achievement.

England is increasingly an extreme education system, with teachers working AGAINST such silly people and the policies they are expected to work in. It is demoralising and explains a lot why so many teachers are existing the career.

Unfortunately there are so many ill-informed politicians and parents who think the only measure of success is pen in hand, sat at a desk, one day of exam assessment and a top university. They accept PISA and political point scoring, they swallow crap like the OPs link.

Quite agree; we are very lucky with this school and my daughter loves it (so far)... house prices are influenced if you are in the catchment zone.

[Gecko1978]

POIDH said:

vaud said:

The ethos of our daughters secondary is "helping the child become the best they can be" and while academically excellent and outstanding in every category for Ofsted, they are focused on the overall development of the child rather than x number went to Oxbridge, etc

Exactly. Come to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and there is huge focus on creating rounded individuals, who are contributors to society, healthy, happy, environmentally literate, creative, problem solvers AND good academic achievement.

England is increasingly an extreme education system, with teachers working AGAINST such silly people and the policies they are expected to work in. It is demoralising and explains a lot why so many teachers are existing the career.

Unfortunately there are so many ill-informed politicians and parents who think the only measure of success is pen in hand, sat at a desk, one day of exam assessment and a top university. They accept PISA and political point scoring, they swallow crap like the OPs link.

Scotland might have issues with well rounded people what with drug an alcohol deaths

[JagLover]

vaud said:

The ethos of our daughters secondary is "helping the child become the best they can be" and while academically excellent and outstanding in every category for Ofsted, they are focused on the overall development of the child rather than x number went to Oxbridge, etc

The current system allows for schools like yours and schools like Michaela Community School. Both are free to demonstrate the merits of their respective approaches.

Michaela Community School does I suspect have a rather more deprived catchment area than your local school and it may be that a stricter ethos is entirely necessary so the students can fulfil their full potential in life.

To say nothing of the fact that cheering on the imposition of a national curriculum could be nearly as destructive to your own school, because Labour are planning to change said curriculum in line with their ideological objectives.

[768]

POIDH said:

Indeed, she is 'successful' in my view by focussing only on a spreadsheet of results, by forcing children to become robots, lacking social skills...

That's patently not true. For instance, she's long banged on about the way they run their lunches to emulate families and encourage social skills.

She certainly seems to wind some people up though.

https://michaela.education/home/secondary-school-w...

[Tom8]

Shooter McGavin said:

chemistry said:

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

She strikes me as an absolute nut job, a narcissist full of her own self-importance, I wouldn't send my kid to any school she is connected with.

I think she is very good, you have to consider the environment where the school is, the free school meals etc etc. I would say she is exactly what that school in that area needs. Would she be as effective in a leafy suburb? Maybe, maybe not.

[JagLover]

POIDH said:

Exactly. Come to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and there is huge focus on creating rounded individuals, who are contributors to society, healthy, happy, environmentally literate, creative, problem solvers AND good academic achievement.

England is increasingly an extreme education system, with teachers working AGAINST such silly people and the policies they are expected to work in. It is demoralising and explains a lot why so many teachers are existing the career.

Unfortunately there are so many ill-informed politicians and parents who think the only measure of success is pen in hand, sat at a desk, one day of exam assessment and a top university. They accept PISA and political point scoring, they swallow crap like the OPs link.

Not sure if this is satire or a genuine embrace of mediocrity as the point of the state education system.

[Randy Winkman]

Shooter McGavin said:

chemistry said:

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Seems our most successful state headmistress

Says who?

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

She strikes me as an absolute nut job, a narcissist full of her own self-importance, I wouldn't send my kid to any school she is connected with.

As I clicked on the link I thought it would probably be her.

[markh1973]

London424 said:

Countdown said:

chemistry said:

Seems pretty successful to me…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community...

“In 2022, 2023 and 2024 the value-added (progress) score at GCSE was the highest for any school in England.”

It would be good to see the citation for that (I had a look and couldn't find it). On the KS4 tables the Michaela School is reasonably good but certainly nowhere near the best in the Country.

ETA some scores here.

https://snobe.co.uk/schools/michaela-community-sch...

Edited by Countdown on Thursday 6th February 11:29

You have a strange view of ‘nowhere near’ than most then.

Progress 8 results

https://www.insidermedia.com/news/all/englands-top...

Progress scores are an interesting one. If you're an academically strong student then your progress scores are unlikely to be as good as a less able student. A student who starts KS4 with an expected grade of 8 and finishes with a 9 has a lower progress score than soneone starting on 3 and finishing on 5.

[POIDH]

JagLover said:

To say nothing of the fact that cheering on the imposition of a national curriculum could be nearly as destructive to your own school, because Labour are planning to change said curriculum in line with their ideological objectives.

Have you actually attended any of the DfE Curriculum Review events or been party to the representations and evidence being collated?

[BikeBikeBIke]

The state education my kids have had has been outstanding. Way better than my own.

It's not a very popular thing to say but the credit largely goes to Gove.

I am certain standards will drop now but I think my own children are far enough through the system that changes won't harm them too much, it will take time for the culture to regress.