Accident on A1

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oakdale

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1,916 posts

215 months

Wednesday 9th April
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A horrible incident involving several police cars on the A1 early this morning.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/09/huge-crash-involvin...

Earthdweller

15,427 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Ouch

Hopefully all involved ok

Looks like a tactical containment that didn't go to plan

W12GT

4,047 posts

234 months

Wednesday 9th April
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What surprises me is how close the responding vehicles have parked and are actually in the debris. When I was in the Met, this was an absolute no-no due to the high risk of picking up debris and getting a puncture.

Looks a pretty significant incident and would be interested to know how that manifested; purely from that photograph with no other information the car positioning would indicate to me that a boxing in manoeuvre gone wrong. Hopefully no innocents hurt.

Lotobear

7,701 posts

141 months

Wednesday 9th April
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A1 Western bypass - bad at the best of times, that's going to cause some serious congestion

oakdale

Original Poster:

1,916 posts

215 months

Wednesday 9th April
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The police car up ahead is badly damaged, looks nasty.

Earthdweller

15,427 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th April
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W12GT said:
What surprises me is how close the responding vehicles have parked and are actually in the debris. When I was in the Met, this was an absolute no-no due to the high risk of picking up debris and getting a puncture.

Looks a pretty significant incident and would be interested to know how that manifested; purely from that photograph with no other information the car positioning would indicate to me that a boxing in manoeuvre gone wrong. Hopefully no innocents hurt.
The van is a dog unit, it will have been behind the TPAC vehicles during the pursuit and the crew/dogs are likely to have deployed into the scene

Not a surprise

Patio

1,049 posts

24 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Hope everyone is OK

Somethings gone seriously wrong to write off that many vehicles, from the picture 4 plod and two others(could be unmarked)

Somewhatfoolish

4,776 posts

199 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Could something have been going the wrong way?

Tango13

9,362 posts

189 months

Wednesday 9th April
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oakdale said:
The police car up ahead is badly damaged, looks nasty.
Hopefully just the fire brigade taking the roof off as a precaution.

ThingsBehindTheSun

1,858 posts

44 months

Wednesday 9th April
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The thing is, the law is so weak that there is literally no incentive not to get away no matter what. It's not as if they are going to get a harsher sentence for destroying 4 police cars and injuring/killing people.

I wish the police had more power to just stop these cars with a Pit manoeuvre like they do in the states, rather than this whole boxing in rubbish that causes mass pile ups if they don't play ball.

W12GT

4,047 posts

234 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Earthdweller said:
W12GT said:
What surprises me is how close the responding vehicles have parked and are actually in the debris. When I was in the Met, this was an absolute no-no due to the high risk of picking up debris and getting a puncture.

Looks a pretty significant incident and would be interested to know how that manifested; purely from that photograph with no other information the car positioning would indicate to me that a boxing in manoeuvre gone wrong. Hopefully no innocents hurt.
The van is a dog unit, it will have been behind the TPAC vehicles during the pursuit and the crew/dogs are likely to have deployed into the scene

Not a surprise
The van was almost certainly not part of the accident but may have been following the active incident as it isn’t in all the shots shown, which it would be as part of the investigation. Note it has no obvious damage and is also shown stopped in multiple positions including on the slip road thus suggesting it wasn’t involved in the collision. Therefore it still stopped in the debris and has then moved to other stopping positions, which is bad practice!

Also note that 4no of police vehicles involved - looking from the rear of the accident into the direction of traffic) these would be the Volvo on the right, the BMW in the middle (this has heavy front and rear damage) and the one far ahead with serious front end damage and the roof removed also. These all have obvious damage to outer body and air bags deployed.

The fourth car could potentially be the marked Volvo on the left, however there is no obvious body damage and the airbags do not appear to have been deployed. The black car on its side against the central reservation may have been an unmarked car, a vehicle being pursued or another road user - that has huge back end damage, the front marked car with the roof removed has colossal front end damage, therefore these may have been the original impact (note the lack of serious front end damage to the other marked vehicles).

Without all the facts it’s impossible to know.

The marked BMW in the middle has the most confusing damage being it is furthest back and it’s not obvious how the rear damage could have been sustained because the dark BMW in front has caused the front end damage, but the black car on its side (may be an Audi?) is beyond that crash and it has rear end damage not front - and there would be a lot of front end damage to cause that rear damage on the marked BMW.

Edited by W12GT on Wednesday 9th April 11:30

Dingu

4,828 posts

43 months

Wednesday 9th April
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ThingsBehindTheSun said:
The thing is, the law is so weak that there is literally no incentive not to get away no matter what. It's not as if they are going to get a harsher sentence for destroying 4 police cars and injuring/killing people.

I wish the police had more power to just stop these cars with a Pit manoeuvre like they do in the states, rather than this whole boxing in rubbish that causes mass pile ups if they don't play ball.
How often do these manoeuvres go wrong though? If they were using PITs on our motorways they would often then cause damage to cars and road furniture requiring road closure, full or partial, to resolve.

Byker28i

72,320 posts

230 months

Wednesday 9th April
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W12GT said:
Earthdweller said:
W12GT said:
What surprises me is how close the responding vehicles have parked and are actually in the debris. When I was in the Met, this was an absolute no-no due to the high risk of picking up debris and getting a puncture.

Looks a pretty significant incident and would be interested to know how that manifested; purely from that photograph with no other information the car positioning would indicate to me that a boxing in manoeuvre gone wrong. Hopefully no innocents hurt.
The van is a dog unit, it will have been behind the TPAC vehicles during the pursuit and the crew/dogs are likely to have deployed into the scene

Not a surprise
The van was almost certainly not part of the accident but may have been following the active incident as it isn’t in all the shots shown, which it would be as part of the investigation. Note it has no obvious damage and is also shown stopped in multiple positions including on the slip road thus suggesting it wasn’t involved in the collision. Therefore it still stopped in the debris and has then moved to other stopping positions, which is bad practice!

Also note that 4no of police vehicles involved - looking from the rear of the accident into the direction of traffic) these would be the Volvo on the right, the BMW in the middle (this has heavy front and rear damage) and the one far ahead with serious front end damage and the roof removed also. These all have obvious damage to outer body and air bags deployed.

The fourth car could potentially be the marked Volvo on the left, however there is no obvious body damage and the airbags do not appear to have been deployed. The black car on its side against the central reservation may have been an unmarked car, a vehicle being pursued or another road user - that has huge back end damage, the front marked car with the roof removed has colossal front end damage, therefore these may have been the original impact (note the lack of serious front end damage to the other marked vehicles).

Without all the facts it’s impossible to know.

The marked BMW in the middle has the most confusing damage being it is furthest back and it’s not obvious how the rear damage could have been sustained because the dark BMW in front has caused the front end damage, but the black car on its side (may be an Audi?) is beyond that crash and it has rear end damage not front - and there would be a lot of front end damage to cause that rear damage on the marked BMW.

Edited by W12GT on Wednesday 9th April 11:30
My thought would be that the police van saw the carnage and parked as close as possible to assist colleagues/those hurt... I'm guessing the severity means punctures weren't considered?

milesgiles

1,956 posts

42 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Anyone want to bet they were filming police interceptors and went a bit overboard?

Seriously just shut the road ahead of them. These pursuits are ridiculous

oakdale

Original Poster:

1,916 posts

215 months

Wednesday 9th April
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I wonder if it's possible that they were trying to box in the black vehicle with the rear end damage and that its collision avoidance system kicked in and slammed on the brakes.

Dingu

4,828 posts

43 months

Wednesday 9th April
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milesgiles said:
Anyone want to bet they were filming police interceptors and went a bit overboard?

Seriously just shut the road ahead of them. These pursuits are ridiculous
No, that’s a mad conclusion.

OvalOwl

935 posts

144 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Multiple police vehicles involved in a crash that has closed the A1 in Newcastle.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/09/fi...


Quattr04.

511 posts

4 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Why is it always a BMW?!

Super Sonic

8,878 posts

67 months

Wednesday 9th April
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Tpac training?

pavarotti1980

5,641 posts

97 months

Wednesday 9th April
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W12GT said:
The van was almost certainly not part of the accident but may have been following the active incident as it isn’t in all the shots shown, which it would be as part of the investigation. Note it has no obvious damage and is also shown stopped in multiple positions including on the slip road thus suggesting it wasn’t involved in the collision. Therefore it still stopped in the debris and has then moved to other stopping positions, which is bad practice!

Also note that 4no of police vehicles involved - looking from the rear of the accident into the direction of traffic) these would be the Volvo on the right, the BMW in the middle (this has heavy front and rear damage) and the one far ahead with serious front end damage and the roof removed also. These all have obvious damage to outer body and air bags deployed.

The fourth car could potentially be the marked Volvo on the left, however there is no obvious body damage and the airbags do not appear to have been deployed. The black car on its side against the central reservation may have been an unmarked car, a vehicle being pursued or another road user - that has huge back end damage, the front marked car with the roof removed has colossal front end damage, therefore these may have been the original impact (note the lack of serious front end damage to the other marked vehicles).

Without all the facts it’s impossible to know.

The marked BMW in the middle has the most confusing damage being it is furthest back and it’s not obvious how the rear damage could have been sustained because the dark BMW in front has caused the front end damage, but the black car on its side (may be an Audi?) is beyond that crash and it has rear end damage not front - and there would be a lot of front end damage to cause that rear damage on the marked BMW.

Edited by W12GT on Wednesday 9th April 11:30
There is no police BMW in any of the photos.

1 x Volvo XC60/90 (upside down)
3 x Volvo V60
1 x Focus ST

milesgiles said:
Anyone want to bet they were filming police interceptors and went a bit overboard?

Seriously just shut the road ahead of them. These pursuits are ridiculous
Christ you post some utter horse st on here mind


Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 9th April 12:03