Mam Tor

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“Locals” (Who moved to the area 12 years ago) complaining about tourism

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0119xgzxyo

[acer12]

I think your post is a tad harsh on the person who provided input to that article. The article is not all about them, its more about how yet another thing has been popularized by social media and social media users are doing something just because its popular to do rather than anything more meaningful, its the usual take a picture and post it and hope they get an online interaction and they dont care about what it means for other people once they get that photo to post.

Sounds like the person who has interviewed has legitimate concerns, are they not allowed to raise these, should they roll over? Here are their complaints, any seem reasonable to you?

We're seeing big issues around litter, dog waste, food containers just being left throughout the outdoors, which is obviously having a massive impact on nature," he says.

"We are seeing people parking inappropriately... to the extent that the police are now having to close roads, which is clearly having a massive impact on local people."

The organisation is also having to do restoration work to repair erosion caused by high footfall.

"So just up on the hill there, we've got a hill fort, which is an incredibly important archaeological feature," Craig says.

"People are walking off footpaths and they're damaging the heritage features."

I dont think the news article really warrants a new thread, a little ironic in that you started a thread to give out about someone giving out about something.....

Edited by acer12 on Monday 5th May 16:09

[Shaw Tarse]

Downward said:

“Locals” (Who moved to the area 12 years ago) complaining about tourism

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0119xgzxyo

I think they have a valid point.
After 12 years have they contributed to the area, can they be considered to be locals?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Eh? It's always been like this.

Bank holiday weekends have always been high on litter and dogs off leads.

Many cottages etc that are Airbnbs with 'parking reserved' signs. Etc etc

[towser44]

Don't think it is Bank Hol specific. It had over 1million visitors in the last 12 months. The article is correct though, post Covid every touristy place in the UK is absolutely rammed all the time now. Snowdon never had the numbers it does walking up it now, pre Covid. We've been going North Wales, the Lakes, Peak District for the best part of 40 years on a regular basis and the volume of visitors on any given weekend post Covid far exceeds the numbers previously. Campsites are unbelievably busy nowadays, beforehand, they were practically empty.

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acer12 said:

I think your post is a tad harsh on the person who provided input to that article. The article is not all about them, its more about how yet another thing has been popularized by social media and social media users are doing something just because its popular to do rather than anything more meaningful, its the usual take a picture and post it and hope they get an online interaction and they dont care about what it means for other people once they get that photo to post.

Sounds like the person who has interviewed has legitimate concerns, are they not allowed to raise these, should they roll over? Here are their complaints, any seem reasonable to you?

We're seeing big issues around litter, dog waste, food containers just being left throughout the outdoors, which is obviously having a massive impact on nature," he says.

"We are seeing people parking inappropriately... to the extent that the police are now having to close roads, which is clearly having a massive impact on local people."

The organisation is also having to do restoration work to repair erosion caused by high footfall.

"So just up on the hill there, we've got a hill fort, which is an incredibly important archaeological feature," Craig says.

"People are walking off footpaths and they're damaging the heritage features."

I dont think the news article really warrants a new thread, a little ironic in that you started a thread to give out about someone giving out about something.....

Edited by acer12 on Monday 5th May 16:09

Agreed.

[wc98]

Welcome to my world and a lot of others that have enjoyed outdoor pursuits all their life. It's one of the downsides of the information age. Not saying it's a bad thing more people getting out and about especially given the propensity for some to spend half their life with their heads buried in a phone but it's certainly not all good.

Back in the day there was a sort of apprenticeship to be completed in coastal angling that required the building of knowledge not only to become consistent but to keep yourself safe. Basic map reading skills and more than a few trips just to learn access, specific tides, conditions etc. Now every bell end with a little bit of knowledge plasters specific spots over the internet, especially you tube and that brings those that would never have put the effort in on their own to find them in the past.

As you might guess many (not all) like that are less likely to put the tiny bit of effort in to take all their crap away with them, more inclined to leave human excrement and the place stinking of piss etc before the problems caused by inconsiderate parking and even just the increased volume of vehicles and people.

The places that require a bit of effort to get to are unsurprisingly still ok but it's certainly st on my plans to use the easier access places when in the not too distant future i am physically unable to get to many of the places i go just now.

[bitchstewie]

I don't think complaining about badly behaved tourists is the same as complaining about tourism.

[TownIdiot]

That's nothing really.

He should have tried getting a pint of Guinness in London last year.

Full of women in tight tops splitting the G.
Would never have happened back in my day.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

wc98 said:

Welcome to my world and a lot of others that have enjoyed outdoor pursuits all their life. It's one of the downsides of the information age. Not saying it's a bad thing more people getting out and about especially given the propensity for some to spend half their life with their heads buried in a phone but it's certainly not all good.

Back in the day there was a sort of apprenticeship to be completed in coastal angling that required the building of knowledge not only to become consistent but to keep yourself safe. Basic map reading skills and more than a few trips just to learn access, specific tides, conditions etc. Now every bell end with a little bit of knowledge plasters specific spots over the internet, especially you tube and that brings those that would never have put the effort in on their own to find them in the past.

As you might guess many (not all) like that are less likely to put the tiny bit of effort in to take all their crap away with them, more inclined to leave human excrement and the place stinking of piss etc before the problems caused by inconsiderate parking and even just the increased volume of vehicles and people.

The places that require a bit of effort to get to are unsurprisingly still ok but it's certainly st on my plans to use the easier access places when in the not too distant future i am physically unable to get to many of the places i go just now.

I've always had to set off early or set off late afternoon. Avoid the traffic out or back. Then as you say the places away from 1/2 mile from their car start to thin the herd out more and more.


What I am seeing more of now are very large groups of retired ramblers.

This Spring I could go 3 hours in the Peak mid week and not see more than a handful of other people.

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towser44 said:

Don't think it is Bank Hol specific. It had over 1million visitors in the last 12 months. The article is correct though, post Covid every touristy place in the UK is absolutely rammed all the time now. Snowdon never had the numbers it does walking up it now, pre Covid. We've been going North Wales, the Lakes, Peak District for the best part of 40 years on a regular basis and the volume of visitors on any given weekend post Covid far exceeds the numbers previously. Campsites are unbelievably busy nowadays, beforehand, they were practically empty.

Maybe cost of living means folk are exploring closer to home ?

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Shaw Tarse said:

Downward said:

“Locals” (Who moved to the area 12 years ago) complaining about tourism

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0119xgzxyo

I think they have a valid point.
After 12 years have they contributed to the area, can they be considered to be locals?

Maybe I have been where I live 25 years and don’t complain about folks visiting our local NT spot

https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/19124556.ro...

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Hugo Stiglitz said:

What I am seeing more of now are very large groups of retired ramblers.

That would include me then. Often spend a Saturday (and other days) walking with a couple of groups that are mainly made up of us retired folks. In fact just back from a 10+ miler in the Northern Penines.

[Downward]

Just trying to think if Ive ever been anywhere where someone’s not hung dog st from a tree.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Drumroll said:

That would include me then. Often spend a Saturday (and other days) walking with a couple of groups that are mainly made up of us retired folks. In fact just back from a 10+ miler in the Northern Penines.

10+? Just seems unwieldy. Plus the echos of 'mummy you could get a bell you know' are more often repeated. When you do use a bell 'be careful! You are startling people! Echo...

[Lester H]

If you move to a touristy area, presumably you know that it is touristy. Lots of us have taken holidays and imagined how attractive it would be to live in that area permanently. Of course, this has tended to happen in the summer ( winter sports fans excepted) . It’s therefore ironic to complain of others aspiring to do the same. There is also a whiff of hypocrisy about hoteliers and caterers generally complaining that the area is overrun. Although the post was about England my view also applies to parts of the Med.

[Murph7355]

Downward said:

Just trying to think if Ive ever been anywhere where someone’s not hung dog st from a tree.

Or parked inconsiderately.

They should all be shot, whether at Mam Tor or the local Tescos.

[M1AGM]

Drumroll said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

What I am seeing more of now are very large groups of retired ramblers.

That would include me then. Often spend a Saturday (and other days) walking with a couple of groups that are mainly made up of us retired folks. In fact just back from a 10+ miler in the Northern Penines.

I know everyone has the right to do stuff when they want but why on earth would anyone who is retired want to do that on a bank holiday weekend, or any weekend, along with the rest of the world when you’ve got the luxury of going when everyone else is at work?

[popeyewhite]

Some awful overcrowding at times and terrible parking. Cars ticketed and towed, stupid visitors protesting they "only parked where someone else had". IMV one of many Peak District destinations ruined by post-lockdown cretins who aren't actually interested in the countryside, just copying what they think is cool/clever off TikTok. No respect, manners or commonsense. They are a blight.

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M1AGM said:

I know everyone has the right to do stuff when they want but why on earth would anyone who is retired want to do that on a bank holiday weekend, or any weekend, along with the rest of the world when you’ve got the luxury of going when everyone else is at work?

Because we can. As I said it is mainly made up of people that are retired, but they are open to everyone. Today we had in our 20+ group, a Chinese student who is studying in the UK.