UK welfare system and reforms
Discussion
It seems that the proposed welfare reforms are being discussed in a number of threads and possibly needs it own thread. (I did search and couldn't find a previous thread).
Up for discussion is the link below - success rates for PIP
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
I'm now retired, but I have at least five of the conditions listed. I never for one minute thought that I should be getting free money from the government. I worked full-time and earned enough for a decent standard of living. It wasn't always easy as I was, and am still, in pain most days, but that's life. I don't know of anyone with perfect health.
Should PIP be means tested?
ETA some information on proposed changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj924xvzrr2o.a...
Up for discussion is the link below - success rates for PIP
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
I'm now retired, but I have at least five of the conditions listed. I never for one minute thought that I should be getting free money from the government. I worked full-time and earned enough for a decent standard of living. It wasn't always easy as I was, and am still, in pain most days, but that's life. I don't know of anyone with perfect health.
Should PIP be means tested?
ETA some information on proposed changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj924xvzrr2o.a...
Edited by Slow.Patrol on Thursday 26th June 09:10
Of course it needs reform, when you look at some of the conditions that qualify it seems preposterous but then how much of this is the government throwing money at people rather than providing proper help? I'd have though before qualifying because you're obese a twice weekly session with a personal trainer might be in order, similarly we're giving people money because they have tourettes or a squint?
Insane.
Insane.
Holy sht they're giving people PIP for Addison's Disease? I've had that for 15 years and it's literally just taking a couple of pills a day to replace the hormones you don't make any more. I mean....that's it.
There must be more to the figures, maybe compound illnesses? I suspect it's not as straightforward as the site makes out, it rarely is.
There must be more to the figures, maybe compound illnesses? I suspect it's not as straightforward as the site makes out, it rarely is.
More info
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
There was a guy on the radio yesterday saying how many people a day are newly being awarded pip
Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled – up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day – that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled – up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day – that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
Fibromyalgia with nearly 160k, 108k with a bad back.
My back is f
ked, daily constant pain, I have a left leg that does what it wants but you know what works for it, getting up off your arse and doing some exercise. I wouldn't dream of claiming. We have a woman at work who gets pip for hers, parks out the front of the office yet has no trouble hoofing massive bags from her boot.
My back is f
ked, daily constant pain, I have a left leg that does what it wants but you know what works for it, getting up off your arse and doing some exercise. I wouldn't dream of claiming. We have a woman at work who gets pip for hers, parks out the front of the office yet has no trouble hoofing massive bags from her boot.Sheets Tabuer said:
Of course it needs reform, when you look at some of the conditions that qualify it seems preposterous but then how much of this is the government throwing money at people rather than providing proper help? I'd have though before qualifying because you're obese a twice weekly session with a personal trainer might be in order, similarly we're giving people money because they have tourettes or a squint?
Insane.
Completely agree. The system is ridiculous and is actually doing harm - particularly to the young. Needs reforming from top to bottom. Insane.
Slow.Patrol said:
More info
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
I have ruptured discs in spine plus depression I take daily meds for both an get on with life. When I discovered I could claim pip I wondered what I would use the money for. It's nut you can get money for a medical condition that is jaut something you can easily live with https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
I didn't try an claim was just amazed I could
Slow.Patrol said:
More info
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
I probably have anxiety a little thinking how am I going to be a good dad, keep wife happy, pay bills, provide for a rainy dayhttps://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-indepen...
Nearly 400,000 claiming because of anxiety
Probably could get paid to not work but to me that would give me more time to overthink things
Occasionally I pop out at lunch to run some errands in the local high street. Years ago it’d be people like me dashing about with their hour, now it just seems to be wolf fleeces and women waddling along holding a load of single use tat that they are dragging home ( I appreciate the internet has made a lot of difference to people rushing round at lunch to pop to bank etc)
I often look around when out and about, new cars everywhere, shiny stuff and wonder how much of it I’m funding
Spare tyre said:
There was a guy on the radio yesterday saying how many people a day are newly being awarded pip
Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
It would be interesting to see a time lapse of a map on where this is claimed.Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
vindaloo79 said:
Spare tyre said:
There was a guy on the radio yesterday saying how many people a day are newly being awarded pip
Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
It would be interesting to see a time lapse of a map on where this is claimed.Simply a house of cards
Since the pandemic, the number of PIP awards has more than doubled up from 13,000 a month to 34,000 a month. That is around 1,000 people signing on to PIP every day that is roughly the size of Leicester signing up every year.
Hard one to deal with as it’s a great vote shredder
Also it makes me appreciate my upbringing and surrounding as a kid
If your parents care you stand a much better chance in life, so many are let down the second they arrive in the world
I’ve mentioned on here the junk food consumed before and after school by a couple of reception aged kids, really sad
If your parents care you stand a much better chance in life, so many are let down the second they arrive in the world
I’ve mentioned on here the junk food consumed before and after school by a couple of reception aged kids, really sad
Slow.Patrol said:
12,533 for alcohol abuse.
To be fair that could cover someone who's a recovering alcoholic and trying to get their life back on track. Remember PIP doesn't equal not working. But some of the other conditions you get money for are nuts.Re: the Addison's that I have - I am a member of a Facebook support group for it which I have muted, just went on there and every other new post is essentially "how can I claim PIP for Addison's". These people do not appear to have any disruption to their lives apart from taking 30mg of hydrocortisone tablets daily. There are only 9,000 of us in the UK and nearly 1,000 are getting PIP for it according to those figures.
But yet when these people hit 67 they, and many others who've barely contributed in taxes, seem to get a criticism-free ride when receiving their inflation-proof, wage-proof, non-means tested welfare benefit.
Of course someone earlier in the thread hit the nail on the head. Instead of the government funding schemes and building infrastructure to support disabled people live normally and work, they merely throw out cash.
Probably a large cause of our productivity issues too as a nation.
Of course someone earlier in the thread hit the nail on the head. Instead of the government funding schemes and building infrastructure to support disabled people live normally and work, they merely throw out cash.
Probably a large cause of our productivity issues too as a nation.
Just to clear up a couple of misconceptions appearing here:
- Pip is paid regardless of someone working or not, it's not an unemployment related benefit, so some claimants will be working and some won't.
- Just having a condition is not enough, they need to demonstrate how it significantly affects their day to day ability to do things.
- Conversely, they don't need to have a particular condition in order to qualify - it is the impairment that's assessed not the cause. That could be why there are strange or minor conditions on that list, as they may well have all sorts of impairments but the named cause was one that they had a diagnosis for recently.
HOWEVER There are plenty of examples of people basically bullstting the assessments, I'm not sure that they are even in person anymore.
Even when they were, there are loads of (anecdotal) examples of people with "proper" disabilities not qualifying because they did their very best to complete the tasks, while the dole pole brigade knew exactly how to answer and refuse tasks they "couldn't do" and therefore qualifying.
It's interesting it lists not insignificant numbers for "alcohol misuse" and "drug misuse"...
"Can you prepare a basic meal without assistance?"
"No"
"Why's that?"
"I'm always drunk by lunchtime so I'd end up setting fire to the kitchen or chop my fingers off cutting vegetables"
Etc etc
Maybe there's more to it, but from (relative's) experience of the system it seems to be pretty much like that
- Pip is paid regardless of someone working or not, it's not an unemployment related benefit, so some claimants will be working and some won't.
- Just having a condition is not enough, they need to demonstrate how it significantly affects their day to day ability to do things.
- Conversely, they don't need to have a particular condition in order to qualify - it is the impairment that's assessed not the cause. That could be why there are strange or minor conditions on that list, as they may well have all sorts of impairments but the named cause was one that they had a diagnosis for recently.
HOWEVER There are plenty of examples of people basically bulls
tting the assessments, I'm not sure that they are even in person anymore. Even when they were, there are loads of (anecdotal) examples of people with "proper" disabilities not qualifying because they did their very best to complete the tasks, while the dole pole brigade knew exactly how to answer and refuse tasks they "couldn't do" and therefore qualifying.
It's interesting it lists not insignificant numbers for "alcohol misuse" and "drug misuse"...
"Can you prepare a basic meal without assistance?"
"No"
"Why's that?"
"I'm always drunk by lunchtime so I'd end up setting fire to the kitchen or chop my fingers off cutting vegetables"
Etc etc
Maybe there's more to it, but from (relative's) experience of the system it seems to be pretty much like that
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