Democratic education to be rolled out in schools
Democratic education to be rolled out in schools
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bitchstewie

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62,986 posts

231 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.

Rivenink

4,143 posts

127 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
A step in the right direction at least.


Vanden Saab

17,144 posts

95 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Teachers will be asked to leave their personal politics at the classroom door to ensure students receive an impartial understanding of the political system.


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hidetheelephants

32,960 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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A basic foundation in philosophy and critical thinking would be of use too.

carl_w

10,310 posts

279 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
You need trig to determine the centre of a roundabout when you are painting your cross of St George on it.

phumy

5,812 posts

258 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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carl_w said:
bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
You need trig to determine the centre of a roundabout when you are painting your cross of St George on it.
Is that Trig the same as Geometry for circles??

Police State

4,292 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Rivenink said:
bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
A step in the right direction at least.
It's not. It will just formalise the political brainwashing of children.

Teachers can't (and shouldn't) be trusted to leave their political bias outside the school gate.


hidetheelephants

32,960 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Police State said:
It's not. It will just formalise the political brainwashing of children.

Teachers can't (and shouldn't) be trusted to leave their political bias outside the school gate.
What piffle; why are they to be trusted to teach but not about politics? I expect you home-school yours if you trust schools so little.

fflump

2,866 posts

59 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Police State said:
Rivenink said:
bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
A step in the right direction at least.
It's not. It will just formalise the political brainwashing of children.

Teachers can't (and shouldn't) be trusted to leave their political bias outside the school gate.
It seems to be about educating students regarding the democracy and the political system, not political beliefs. Could be worse- imagine if kids stumbled on NP&E and got their education here!

otolith

64,641 posts

225 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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Isn’t this basically what the Americans call “civics” and have been teaching forever? I think it’s a good idea to teach the mechanics of how the country works. Relationship between MPs, parties, and government, role of the civil service, local democracy, functions of executive, legislature, and judiciary, etc

2xChevrons

4,170 posts

101 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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otolith said:
Isn’t this basically what the Americans call “civics” and have been teaching forever? I think it’s a good idea to teach the mechanics of how the country works. Relationship between MPs, parties, and government, role of the civil service, local democracy, functions of executive, legislature, and judiciary, etc
Yes, and it's also what we had in sixth form in my school in Hampshire in the early 2000s.

It was a bolt-on module to history (leading naturally from the 19th century politics with the Reform Acts, rise of the Labour Party, Parliament Act, universal suffrage etc.) and it was taught by one of the senior history teachers.

Who, for the record, never shied away from his personal politics (a Thatcher and Reagan-worshiping Tory who exclusively drove imported American cars with huge V8 engines and wore a 'distinctive' line in double-breasted suits and kipper ties...) when discussing or debating but taught civics, political history and political philosophy in a resolutely fair and even-handed way. Being a massive Tory didn't prevent him from outlining, say, the beliefs of Marxism on its own terms and how it led to the Labour Party overtaking the SDF.

And if this new scheme is pure civics without political history or philosophy, then it hardly matters. Teaching the workings of the electoral system and the relative powers and functions of the Commons, Lords, judiciary, civil service, monarchy etc. can be done without any party or partisan politics at all.

glazbagun

15,075 posts

218 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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In Scotland wasn't this just Modern Studies 20/30 years ago?

otolith

64,641 posts

225 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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carl_w said:
You need trig to determine the centre of a roundabout when you are painting your cross of St George on it.
I thought he might have something to do with it. Figures.


hidetheelephants

32,960 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th August 2025
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glazbagun said:
In Scotland wasn't this just Modern Studies 20/30 years ago?
It was.

OutInTheShed

12,726 posts

47 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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glazbagun said:
In Scotland wasn't this just Modern Studies 20/30 years ago?
That went well then!

200bhp

5,739 posts

240 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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Here in Australia, year 3 students have lessons on how the political system works, what the different houses of parliament are and how they work etc.

Often the class is asked to form three "parties", each with a leader who has to present their manifesto to the class before they vote for a "class prime minster".

In year 7 at our school they a trip to Canbera (4hrs on a plane from Perth) to visit parliament house.

Seems to work well and to me is a valuable part of their education.

stuckmojo

3,803 posts

209 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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Vanden Saab said:
Teachers will be asked to leave their personal politics at the classroom door to ensure students receive an impartial understanding of the political system.


roflroflroflroflrofl
roflroflroflroflrofl
roflroflroflroflrofl

Zero Fuchs

2,749 posts

39 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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bhstewie said:
Interesting.

Democratic education to be rolled out in schools

Be good if there was a bit of focus on life skills like budgeting and providing for your retirement too but stuff like this seems more use than advanced trigonometry or half the stuff you'll never use after you leave.
I agree. My daughter's biggest complaint was that school never covered any meaningful lessons covering finance. We've done all that since but life is so heavily based on finance nowadays and so many have no understanding of it at all.

Although regards to the new course, it's a bit pointless IMO unless it comes with a critical thinking aspect and a heavy module covering the many duplicitous methods used by politicians and MSM to sway voters. Methods used in history and alive and well today. That would arguably be more useful.

Murph7355

40,808 posts

277 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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200bhp said:
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Seems to work well and to me is a valuable part of their education.
I have no issue with teaching kids how things work.

But out of interest, what does “works well" mean in this context?

One presumes engagement in politics, but how will we tell if it's moved the needle or not? And what gives way in the timetable for it?

Bathroom_Security

3,748 posts

138 months

Wednesday 27th August 2025
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hidetheelephants said:
A basic foundation in philosophy and critical thinking would be of use too.
Would it not be wasted on most, though?