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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85pwg3dyjo
Yet again we hear of children unable to perform rudimentary tasks in school. Unbelievable that a first world economy should have this. Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude. If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Yet again we hear of children unable to perform rudimentary tasks in school. Unbelievable that a first world economy should have this. Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude. If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Tom8 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85pwg3dyjo
Yet again we hear of children unable to perform rudimentary tasks in school. Unbelievable that a first world economy should have this. Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude. If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Yep!Yet again we hear of children unable to perform rudimentary tasks in school. Unbelievable that a first world economy should have this. Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude. If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Doesn't really seem to be surprising anymore tbh.
The main focus seems to be on toileting, but there is a huge gap between 'being out of nappies' and 'using the toilet independently' at age 4-5. Many kids could do the latter but end up with s
t all over their clothes and hands, it's a tough skill for them to get right (seemingly for some adults too, given the smells on public transport).
The language and paying attention thing would have much more impact on them, which I think is why the 30 hours free childcare or whatever it is was brought in, to encourage parents to put their children out to socialise and learn key skills before they get to school. But funding and the commercial environment for nurseries and childminding has gone downhill so there are fewer providers than there used to be so it's not as easy to access as it should be.
Tablets and phones and TV-on-demand absolutely have a role to play in this, but again you could argue that this impacts teens and adults just as much if not more, it's just a part of the world that parents previously never had to negotiate before.
Having said that, I recently re-watched an episode of Bric-A-Brac from the 80s, and fk me did it drag on.
t all over their clothes and hands, it's a tough skill for them to get right (seemingly for some adults too, given the smells on public transport).The language and paying attention thing would have much more impact on them, which I think is why the 30 hours free childcare or whatever it is was brought in, to encourage parents to put their children out to socialise and learn key skills before they get to school. But funding and the commercial environment for nurseries and childminding has gone downhill so there are fewer providers than there used to be so it's not as easy to access as it should be.
Tablets and phones and TV-on-demand absolutely have a role to play in this, but again you could argue that this impacts teens and adults just as much if not more, it's just a part of the world that parents previously never had to negotiate before.
Having said that, I recently re-watched an episode of Bric-A-Brac from the 80s, and f
k me did it drag on.ScotHill said:
The main focus seems to be on toileting, but there is a huge gap between 'being out of nappies' and 'using the toilet independently' at age 4-5. Many kids could do the latter but end up with st all over their clothes and hands, it's a tough skill for them to get right (seemingly for some adults too, given the smells on public transport).
The language and paying attention thing would have much more impact on them, which I think is why the 30 hours free childcare or whatever it is was brought in, to encourage parents to put their children out to socialise and learn key skills before they get to school. But funding and the commercial environment for nurseries and childminding has gone downhill so there are fewer providers than there used to be so it's not as easy to access as it should be.
Tablets and phones and TV-on-demand absolutely have a role to play in this, but again you could argue that this impacts teens and adults just as much if not more, it's just a part of the world that parents previously never had to negotiate before.
Having said that, I recently re-watched an episode of Bric-A-Brac from the 80s, and fk me did it drag on.
God I'd forgotten about Bric-a-Brac! Was that Brian Cant and with the big computer?t all over their clothes and hands, it's a tough skill for them to get right (seemingly for some adults too, given the smells on public transport).The language and paying attention thing would have much more impact on them, which I think is why the 30 hours free childcare or whatever it is was brought in, to encourage parents to put their children out to socialise and learn key skills before they get to school. But funding and the commercial environment for nurseries and childminding has gone downhill so there are fewer providers than there used to be so it's not as easy to access as it should be.
Tablets and phones and TV-on-demand absolutely have a role to play in this, but again you could argue that this impacts teens and adults just as much if not more, it's just a part of the world that parents previously never had to negotiate before.
Having said that, I recently re-watched an episode of Bric-A-Brac from the 80s, and f
k me did it drag on.Tom8 said:
. Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude.
Are they on benefits? Or are you just projecting your opinions?Tom8 said:
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If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
Made? How? By who? Our well funded, over capacity police? Judiciary? School teachers? Who are already massively under resourced when it comes to low level SendIf a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
(Let me guess: send is another thing you don't believe is a problem and it's just lazy parenting)
Tom8 said:
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At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Peak npe nonsense. I suggest you have a little lie down.At the same time schools are impacted and brought down the government is deliberately closing exceptional schools and pumping more children into this chasm.
Yes, this issue is a problem., but as always it is important to understand the issues causing the problem.
Trying to "bolt on" a pre conceived solution based on your prejudices is unlikely to be a good use of public money, or actually address underlying causes.
If I was a betting man, I would say this is down to societal changes around quality family time, working hours of parents as well as cuts to family support over the last decade or so.
Who remembers sure start centres? Gone.
Parents struggling to raise kids? If only there was something we could have done....
otolith said:
Trying to find the bit of the report that says these parents are on benefits - did you make that bit up?
Trying to find the bit of your reply which patiently corrects the OP's blase outputs and adds a bit of value to the conversation through provision of more detail.....rodericb said:
Trying to find the bit of your reply which patiently corrects the OP's blase outputs and adds a bit of value to the conversation through provision of more detail.....
I've only got the report you've got, which unless I've missed it doesn't say anything about the socioeconomic status of the parents - just Tom shoehorning his usual prejudices into it, I think.Daily Wail from two years ago claiming "More recently, a teacher wrote about how much of her time was spent changing nappies and the underclothes of children aged five and six and that, contrary to assumptions, these pupils are from middle-class homes"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1280592...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1280592...
Mr Penguin said:
Unsurprising that these children were not allowed outside for the first couple of years of life, when they should have been learning the very basic social skills.
Won’t these children have been born between Sep 20 and Aug 21?Some might have had the final lockdown as a small baby, but I’d say this might be the first cohort of kids not impacted by Covid.
Tom8 said:
Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude. If a child is unfit for school the parents should be made to chaperone them. They would soon get fed up of having to sit in school all day.
For context - OH was a peripatetic nursery teacher across a whole county so has is close to the reality of a lot of this.In her experience the issues of slow or delayed development are as likely in wealthy, upper or working class as they are the generic "on benefits family".
Let us not forget that for two decades there has been an erosion of family support, early years funding, youth work. There has been huge changes in diet, activity levels, the emerging dominance of "screen time", schools and early years (particularly in England) edging towards younger and younger education rather than play based development time, a huge increase in two working parents to pay the ever spiralling housing costs, a dominance of cars in communities over childrens play etc etc etc.
These children emerging into nurseries and schools now were born about the time of the pandemic - and have parents who as new parents were in the pandemic and did not have the usual support and routines a new parent would have. Let alone the mental health toll on these young children.
I could go on - but we basically have a perfect s
t show of issues which are being shown in delay of or total lack of development of some foundational skills and competencies, physical, mental and social in these children.Benefits have f
k all to do with it.irc said:
otolith said:
Tom8 said:
Rather than endlessly rewarding people with benefits when will see some stick to change this slovenly attitude.
Trying to find the bit of the report that says these parents are on benefits - did you make that bit up?
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