20 week suspended for slashing at someone with a knife
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Attacker of Quran-burning protester is spared jail
How is this "only" classed as assault and when I keep hearing headlines like "5 year sentences for carrying a knife" how does someone walk away with a 20 week suspended sentence for having a knife and for slashing someone with it?
Hoping to keep the NP&E side out of this but this is one I genuinely can't wrap my head around.
What am I missing?
How is this "only" classed as assault and when I keep hearing headlines like "5 year sentences for carrying a knife" how does someone walk away with a 20 week suspended sentence for having a knife and for slashing someone with it?
Hoping to keep the NP&E side out of this but this is one I genuinely can't wrap my head around.
What am I missing?
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1890751590442631574
I remember the video.
I'd have expected a different result given the incontravertable evidence.
I remember the video.
I'd have expected a different result given the incontravertable evidence.
stuthemongoose said:
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1890751590442631574
I remember the video.
I'd have expected a different result given the incontravertable evidence.
He was released from custody while the guy he attacked was kept in . It really beggars belief and when you see the pitiful sentence he was given it just gives those who believe we have 2 tier justice, further ammunition I remember the video.
I'd have expected a different result given the incontravertable evidence.
Edited by Bluevanman on Tuesday 23 September 18:02
butchstewie said:
Attacker of Quran-burning protester is spared jail
How is this "only" classed as assault and when I keep hearing headlines like "5 year sentences for carrying a knife" how does someone walk away with a 20 week suspended sentence for having a knife and for slashing someone with it?
Hoping to keep the NP&E side out of this but this is one I genuinely can't wrap my head around.
What am I missing?
in before it does get swapped into NP/E - I suspect that religious aggravation will be a mitigating factor (not that it should be, but that's a whole other issue). That aside, we're always told that carrying a knife is an automatic custodial - yet here... It is somewhat strange and really doesn't seem to help a lot in these volatile times How is this "only" classed as assault and when I keep hearing headlines like "5 year sentences for carrying a knife" how does someone walk away with a 20 week suspended sentence for having a knife and for slashing someone with it?
Hoping to keep the NP&E side out of this but this is one I genuinely can't wrap my head around.
What am I missing?
DodgyGeezer said:
in before it does get swapped into NP/E - I suspect that religious aggravation will be a mitigating factor (not that it should be, but that's a whole other issue). That aside, we're always told that carrying a knife is an automatic custodial - yet here... It is somewhat strange and really doesn't seem to help a lot in these volatile times
Yeah I'd like to understand the factual and legal side of how that's the sentence.Not interested in pages of people banging on about "two tier" (not you
) but that doesn't help understand why the sentence is what it is.I might have missed something but the video looks like he was intimidating him with the knife but he didnt actually slash him or even look remotely close to actually using it, he could have had him several times but chose not to. Obviously its still very bad behaviour running about with a knife but the OP title is a bit misleading and the video evidence shows it was just for show. I'm not muslim but in terms of provocative behaviour the guy doing the burning was doing a 10/10.
To be fair I don't think that's social media I think that's just me being a plank and misreading 
Not sure it changes the central point though that 20 weeks suspended seems incredibly light for slashing at someone with a knife especially when he actually went away and came back with it.
To me anyway.
We're supposed to be tough on knife crime etc.
Not sure it changes the central point though that 20 weeks suspended seems incredibly light for slashing at someone with a knife especially when he actually went away and came back with it.
To me anyway.
We're supposed to be tough on knife crime etc.
Terminator X said:
"intimidating him with the knife"
Wtf. If you are caught carrying you should go to jail. Pulling it out even more time. Using it again more. Fuxking insane.
TX.
you must spend a lot of facebook.......i didnt say he didnt deserve a custodial, but waving a knife about is massively different to slashing/attempted murder, per the thread title.Wtf. If you are caught carrying you should go to jail. Pulling it out even more time. Using it again more. Fuxking insane.
TX.
Why do you sign off with that TX thing?
I was attacked last year by someone after I knocked his door for a council visit. He came at me with a knife and destroyed £1k plus piece of equipment I was carrying. I had to punch him to protect myself which I did once to allow me time to call the Police. Fortunately CCTV captured the unprovoked attack and a weapon was discovered. I lost 4 days work so another £1k minimum.
Anyway a year later and another unpaid day off work as a trial needed. Police didn’t turn up even though it was their prosecution and met CPS for 2 minutes before being called to give evidence. Outcome he was found guilty of assault by beating and damage loss of property under £5k. Sentence £175 fine for the court £72.50 to me for compensation. Absolute b
ks.
Anyway a year later and another unpaid day off work as a trial needed. Police didn’t turn up even though it was their prosecution and met CPS for 2 minutes before being called to give evidence. Outcome he was found guilty of assault by beating and damage loss of property under £5k. Sentence £175 fine for the court £72.50 to me for compensation. Absolute b
ks.Jag_NE said:
I might have missed something but the video looks like he was intimidating him with the knife but he didnt actually slash him or even look remotely close to actually using it, he could have had him several times but chose not to. Obviously its still very bad behaviour running about with a knife but the OP title is a bit misleading and the video evidence shows it was just for show. I'm not muslim but in terms of provocative behaviour the guy doing the burning was doing a 10/10.
I'm very uneasy about this whole 'burning the quran' is justification for this sort of offence, I can't think of any other religion where burning the holy book (or making cartoons) is used as justification (and occasionally seemingly accepted as such) for violence. Whilst I am more of a freedom of speech 'absolutist ' (leaving aside obvious exclusions like incitement to violence/kiddie stuff), I do accept that this doesn't mean freedom from consequence if you're being a dhead - I'm not sure that we (as a society) have quite got our heads around SM interactions and FoS etc. Interesting times
DodgyGeezer said:
Jag_NE said:
I might have missed something but the video looks like he was intimidating him with the knife but he didnt actually slash him or even look remotely close to actually using it, he could have had him several times but chose not to. Obviously its still very bad behaviour running about with a knife but the OP title is a bit misleading and the video evidence shows it was just for show. I'm not muslim but in terms of provocative behaviour the guy doing the burning was doing a 10/10.
I'm very uneasy about this whole 'burning the quran' is justification for this sort of offence, I can't think of any other religion where burning the holy book (or making cartoons) is used as justification (and occasionally seemingly accepted as such) for violence. Whilst I am more of a freedom of speech 'absolutist ' (leaving aside obvious exclusions like incitement to violence/kiddie stuff), I do accept that this doesn't mean freedom from consequence if you're being a dhead - I'm not sure that we (as a society) have quite got our heads around SM interactions and FoS etc. Interesting times
Mikebentley said:
I was attacked last year by someone after I knocked his door for a council visit. He came at me with a knife and destroyed £1k plus piece of equipment I was carrying. I had to punch him to protect myself which I did once to allow me time to call the Police. Fortunately CCTV captured the unprovoked attack and a weapon was discovered. I lost 4 days work so another £1k minimum.
Anyway a year later and another unpaid day off work as a trial needed. Police didn t turn up even though it was their prosecution and met CPS for 2 minutes before being called to give evidence. Outcome he was found guilty of assault by beating and damage loss of property under £5k. Sentence £175 fine for the court £72.50 to me for compensation. Absolute bks.
Sorry to read this. That’s appalling.Anyway a year later and another unpaid day off work as a trial needed. Police didn t turn up even though it was their prosecution and met CPS for 2 minutes before being called to give evidence. Outcome he was found guilty of assault by beating and damage loss of property under £5k. Sentence £175 fine for the court £72.50 to me for compensation. Absolute b
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