Serious fraud at Newham Council Housing Dept
Serious fraud at Newham Council Housing Dept
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Slow.Patrol

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3,050 posts

33 months

Saturday 8th November
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/housing-fra...

"A Newham Council staff member allegedly “manipulated” its housing systems to give 35 homes to people not eligible for them, the town hall has revealed."

The individual has resigned.

JoshSm

2,292 posts

56 months

Saturday 8th November
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There's a lot of it about...

The question is - like other cases where officials have abused their position to give things to people they shouldn't have got - will any of those on the receiving side be prosecuted or have the thing they wrongly got taken back?

Not sure it happens a lot whether it's immigration or housing or something else involving corruption. Usually everyone seems to just want it to quietly go away.

Trash_panda

7,776 posts

223 months

Saturday 8th November
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Its a shame that byker doesnt use his time hilighting the corruption in our own country that continously posting about what trump did/done/doing

CambsBill

2,330 posts

197 months

Saturday 8th November
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Trash_panda said:
Its a shame that byker doesnt use his time hilighting the corruption in our own country that continously posting about what trump did/done/doing
Nobody's stopping you from doing it rolleyes

Ridgemont

8,073 posts

150 months

Saturday 8th November
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Slow.Patrol said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/housing-fra...

"A Newham Council staff member allegedly manipulated its housing systems to give 35 homes to people not eligible for them, the town hall has revealed."

The individual has resigned.
I suspect that is very much the tiniest tip of an iceberg.

tangerine_sedge

5,988 posts

237 months

Sunday 9th November
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Trash_panda said:
Its a shame that byker doesnt use his time hilighting the corruption in our own country that continously posting about what trump did/done/doing
This is your first thought on reading the story?

jester

tangerine_sedge

5,988 posts

237 months

Sunday 9th November
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Ridgemont said:
Slow.Patrol said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/housing-fra...

"A Newham Council staff member allegedly manipulated its housing systems to give 35 homes to people not eligible for them, the town hall has revealed."

The individual has resigned.
I suspect that is very much the tiniest tip of an iceberg.
There's massive amounts of fraud across lots of public services - something that digital id should help with (if it ever gets delivered), although probably not in cases like this when it's insider threat.

Unfortunately local government are cash-strapped, so resourcing people to provide checks and balances/reviews allows things like this to slip through the gaps.

Andeh1

7,387 posts

225 months

Sunday 9th November
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tangerine_sedge said:
There's massive amounts of fraud across lots of public services - something that digital id should help with (if it ever gets delivered), although probably not in cases like this when it's insider threat.

Unfortunately local government are cash-strapped, so resourcing people to provide checks and balances/reviews allows things like this to slip through the gaps.
What evidence have you got?

Incompetence and inefficiency, I'd agree with, but willful fraud I do doubt.

Drumroll

4,276 posts

139 months

Sunday 9th November
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JoshSm said:
There's a lot of it about...

The question is - like other cases where officials have abused their position to give things to people they shouldn't have got - will any of those on the receiving side be prosecuted or have the thing they wrongly got taken back?

Not sure it happens a lot whether it's immigration or housing or something else involving corruption. Usually everyone seems to just want it to quietly go away.
There maybe another side to this. Several years ago I knew a housing officer who was quite good at "bending the rules" not for personal gain but to help those who where just outside the criteria to get housing. For example a women leaving an abusive relationship but her income meant she didn't qualify for social housing. Her income if I remember was £100 annually over.

M1AGM

3,946 posts

51 months

Sunday 9th November
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Drumroll said:
JoshSm said:
There's a lot of it about...

The question is - like other cases where officials have abused their position to give things to people they shouldn't have got - will any of those on the receiving side be prosecuted or have the thing they wrongly got taken back?

Not sure it happens a lot whether it's immigration or housing or something else involving corruption. Usually everyone seems to just want it to quietly go away.
There maybe another side to this. Several years ago I knew a housing officer who was quite good at "bending the rules" not for personal gain but to help those who where just outside the criteria to get housing. For example a women leaving an abusive relationship but her income meant she didn't qualify for social housing. Her income if I remember was £100 annually over.
Maybe. But why quit on the spot if you are being altruistic? Surely you would stand your ground to highlight the issue?


Drumroll

4,276 posts

139 months

Sunday 9th November
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M1AGM said:
Drumroll said:
JoshSm said:
There's a lot of it about...

The question is - like other cases where officials have abused their position to give things to people they shouldn't have got - will any of those on the receiving side be prosecuted or have the thing they wrongly got taken back?

Not sure it happens a lot whether it's immigration or housing or something else involving corruption. Usually everyone seems to just want it to quietly go away.
There maybe another side to this. Several years ago I knew a housing officer who was quite good at "bending the rules" not for personal gain but to help those who where just outside the criteria to get housing. For example a women leaving an abusive relationship but her income meant she didn't qualify for social housing. Her income if I remember was £100 annually over.
Maybe. But why quit on the spot if you are being altruistic? Surely you would stand your ground to highlight the issue?
It was a general comment, not on this incident specifically.

eccles

14,095 posts

241 months

Sunday 9th November
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Andeh1 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
There's massive amounts of fraud across lots of public services - something that digital id should help with (if it ever gets delivered), although probably not in cases like this when it's insider threat.

Unfortunately local government are cash-strapped, so resourcing people to provide checks and balances/reviews allows things like this to slip through the gaps.
What evidence have you got?

Incompetence and inefficiency, I'd agree with, but willful fraud I do doubt.
Maybe start with reading the 'Rotten Boroughs' column in Private Eye.

tangerine_sedge

5,988 posts

237 months

Sunday 9th November
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Andeh1 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
There's massive amounts of fraud across lots of public services - something that digital id should help with (if it ever gets delivered), although probably not in cases like this when it's insider threat.

Unfortunately local government are cash-strapped, so resourcing people to provide checks and balances/reviews allows things like this to slip through the gaps.
What evidence have you got?

Incompetence and inefficiency, I'd agree with, but willful fraud I do doubt.
Wilful insider fraud is likely not that common, but general fraud :

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/housing-la...

We are only talking about housing fraud here, but it's across all benefits, across the entire country. Literally £B's of fraud which could be identified relatively easy if government rolled out some basic digital identity and data science analysis and solutions.

glazbagun

15,029 posts

216 months

Sunday 9th November
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Trash_panda said:
Its a shame that byker doesnt use his time hilighting the corruption in our own country that continously posting about what trump did/done/doing
Do it yourself then.