Those that voted Labour in 2024 - how is it working out?
Poll: Those that voted Labour in 2024 - how is it working out?
Total Members Polled: 309
Discussion
In the Democratic Peoples Republic of Sturgeonia there's generally two choices in an election - the Tinpot Mafia (SNP) or the Red Dread. On the balance of which viral condition I would like less, a tactical vote was made to prevent the cretinous nodding donkey of an SNP candidate from being elected - unfortunately this meant that the cretinous nodding donkey of a Labour candidate was elected instead. The upside of nationwide tactical voting was the utter evisceration of the SNP, but with the most unfortunate side-effect of electing the most ruinously incompetent government I've known in my lifetime. This shower of halfwits are dangerously terrible - the worst aspect of this is that they don't realise it.
I intentionally voted Labour, despite my children attending private school....
They've proved to be miserable and appearing to be untrustworthy.
HOWEVER - for me, the single largest unforgivable for me, is that they're f
king cowards!
They have a huge majority and still are afraid to do anything meaningful. Of all the things I detest is cowardice!
fk them good and proper, they had one change and fking ran away crying, my next vote will go to the party that stand up and shout 'fk you all, this is what we're doing, we don't care if you dislike it, fk you!'
Although it pains me to admit it, this is single reason in my mind why Trump, Nigel, Tommy et all are gaining ground.
They've proved to be miserable and appearing to be untrustworthy.
HOWEVER - for me, the single largest unforgivable for me, is that they're f
king cowards!They have a huge majority and still are afraid to do anything meaningful. Of all the things I detest is cowardice!
f
k them good and proper, they had one change and fking ran away crying, my next vote will go to the party that stand up and shout 'fk you all, this is what we're doing, we don't care if you dislike it, fk you!'Although it pains me to admit it, this is single reason in my mind why Trump, Nigel, Tommy et all are gaining ground.
Roderick Spode said:
In the Democratic Peoples Republic of Sturgeonia there's generally two choices in an election - the Tinpot Mafia (SNP) or the Red Dread. On the balance of which viral condition I would like less, a tactical vote was made to prevent the cretinous nodding donkey of an SNP candidate from being elected - unfortunately this meant that the cretinous nodding donkey of a Labour candidate was elected instead. The upside of nationwide tactical voting was the utter evisceration of the SNP, but with the most unfortunate side-effect of electing the most ruinously incompetent government I've known in my lifetime. This shower of halfwits are dangerously terrible - the worst aspect of this is that they don't realise it.
Rock and a hard place.Wouldn't vote SNP or Labour up here but the other two (or 3) Tory/Lib/Reform just don't have the clout, not even if they joined forces. So mine was in effect a protest vote/wasted.
Douglas Adams said:
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
"But that's terrible," said Arthur.
"Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.”
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
"But that's terrible," said Arthur.
"Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.”
I voted Labour for the first time ever. I hoped that they would improve standards in parliament, bring stability and fix some of the systemic long term issues.
In terms of standards, they soon showed they were willing to stick their noses in the trough, so that was disapointing, but seems to have settled down somewhat. The country feels relatively stable, I've not seen any major changes to my income or taxes, we've not changed foreign policy significantly and all seems the same on the home front. Where I think they have made changes, is in committing to and supporting some of those longer term fixes, i.e. housing & energy that they'll probably not see the benefit of during this parliament.
The constant gloom and doom from the predominantly right-wing press parroted on these forums make Labour sound like a disaster, which isn't helped by their own back-benches being somewhat unruly at times, but in reality my life has not been positively or negatively impacted so far. I think that SKS is a decent person who's currently spending too much time herding cats and not leading from the front, but that's the nature of the job.
YMMV.
In terms of standards, they soon showed they were willing to stick their noses in the trough, so that was disapointing, but seems to have settled down somewhat. The country feels relatively stable, I've not seen any major changes to my income or taxes, we've not changed foreign policy significantly and all seems the same on the home front. Where I think they have made changes, is in committing to and supporting some of those longer term fixes, i.e. housing & energy that they'll probably not see the benefit of during this parliament.
The constant gloom and doom from the predominantly right-wing press parroted on these forums make Labour sound like a disaster, which isn't helped by their own back-benches being somewhat unruly at times, but in reality my life has not been positively or negatively impacted so far. I think that SKS is a decent person who's currently spending too much time herding cats and not leading from the front, but that's the nature of the job.
YMMV.
For all the issues with the current government, I can't help but think how much more it would be if the Tories were still in power.
The biggest problem with Labour is that they're not being Labour, they're just a less incompetent, less extreme version of the Tories. Less extreme is good but they're just on the same destructive course as the Tories were on just with less recklessness and gusto.
Anyway, no matter how bad the Labour government is, it could be a lot worse.
The biggest problem with Labour is that they're not being Labour, they're just a less incompetent, less extreme version of the Tories. Less extreme is good but they're just on the same destructive course as the Tories were on just with less recklessness and gusto.
Anyway, no matter how bad the Labour government is, it could be a lot worse.
Randy Winkman said:
At least Labour feel obliged to try and do something whereas Tories had given up years ago. But it is pretty much a no-win situation.
By the way, I'm not a Labour supporter and didnt vote for them.
Sorry I realised that Labour had stopped feeling obliged to try and do something when they were last in government over 25 years ago!By the way, I'm not a Labour supporter and didnt vote for them.
tangerine_sedge said:
I voted Labour for the first time ever. I hoped that they would improve standards in parliament, bring stability and fix some of the systemic long term issues.
In terms of standards, they soon showed they were willing to stick their noses in the trough, so that was disapointing, but seems to have settled down somewhat. The country feels relatively stable, I've not seen any major changes to my income or taxes, we've not changed foreign policy significantly and all seems the same on the home front. Where I think they have made changes, is in committing to and supporting some of those longer term fixes, i.e. housing & energy that they'll probably not see the benefit of during this parliament.
The constant gloom and doom from the predominantly right-wing press parroted on these forums make Labour sound like a disaster, which isn't helped by their own back-benches being somewhat unruly at times, but in reality my life has not been positively or negatively impacted so far. I think that SKS is a decent person who's currently spending too much time herding cats and not leading from the front, but that's the nature of the job.
YMMV.
It’s nice to see a sensible, balanced post in NPE rather than polarised moral panic.In terms of standards, they soon showed they were willing to stick their noses in the trough, so that was disapointing, but seems to have settled down somewhat. The country feels relatively stable, I've not seen any major changes to my income or taxes, we've not changed foreign policy significantly and all seems the same on the home front. Where I think they have made changes, is in committing to and supporting some of those longer term fixes, i.e. housing & energy that they'll probably not see the benefit of during this parliament.
The constant gloom and doom from the predominantly right-wing press parroted on these forums make Labour sound like a disaster, which isn't helped by their own back-benches being somewhat unruly at times, but in reality my life has not been positively or negatively impacted so far. I think that SKS is a decent person who's currently spending too much time herding cats and not leading from the front, but that's the nature of the job.
YMMV.
Unfortunately, too many in this country are led blindly by the opinion & prevailing wind of the press.
May I add - Labour have been far from perfect, and have made a mess of a fair few things. Unfortunately, the issues inherited will take more than a matter of months to fix.
itcaptainslow said:
It s nice to see a sensible, balanced post in NPE rather than polarised moral panic.
Unfortunately, too many in this country are led blindly by the opinion & prevailing wind of the press.
May I add - Labour have been far from perfect, and have made a mess of a fair few things. Unfortunately, the issues inherited will take more than a matter of months to fix.
And rather than trying to fix the issues they inherited they're just making them worse, and creating new ones.Unfortunately, too many in this country are led blindly by the opinion & prevailing wind of the press.
May I add - Labour have been far from perfect, and have made a mess of a fair few things. Unfortunately, the issues inherited will take more than a matter of months to fix.
I didn't vote Labour but I was enthusiastic about the Reeves/Starmer partnership. I thought they'd be 'competent administrators' unencumbered by ideology which is exactly what i want. I was pleased when they won a massive majority becaise I thought a "left wing" government could get a grip on spending in a way that a "right wing" government never could. (In an "only Nixon could go to China" sense.)
What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
BikeBikeBIke said:
I didn't vote Labour but I was enthusiastic about the Reeves/Starmer partnership. I thought they'd be 'competent administrators' unencumbered by ideology which is exactly what i want. I was pleased when they won a massive majority becaise I thought a "left wing" government could get a grip on spending in a way that a "right wing" government never could. (In an "only Nixon could go to China" sense.)
What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
Yes, I thought we'd see more in the way his Tonyness managed things, but less illegal war mongering. What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
Huzzah said:
Yes, I thought we'd see more in the way his Tonyness managed things, but less illegal war mongering.
I think the warmongering was a consequence of the main thing that this bunch are lacking - the ability to sell whatever they wanted to parliament and the country, and the resulting contempt for taking seriously any other point of view. We do actually need someone practised in the dark arts of politics at the moment, because I don't think any of the things that are necessary will be popular, we just also need someone who won't use them for evil.BikeBikeBIke said:
I didn't vote Labour but I was enthusiastic about the Reeves/Starmer partnership. I thought they'd be 'competent administrators' unencumbered by ideology which is exactly what i want. I was pleased when they won a massive majority becaise I thought a "left wing" government could get a grip on spending in a way that a "right wing" government never could. (In an "only Nixon could go to China" sense.)
What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
Basically, my position too, although I wouldn't have used "enthusiastic": perhaps, "mildly optimistic". I hoped that Starmer/Reeves would be the grown-ups and manage their loony left, actually making some necessary positive changes. All I'm seeing now is catastrophe, with little alternative for the next government. What I failed to anticipate was that they would be slaves to their insane back benchers. So we have a catastrophe which we won't recover from IMHO.
Edited by GadgeS3C on Monday 1st December 13:16
Roderick Spode said:
In the Democratic Peoples Republic of Sturgeonia there's generally two choices in an election - the Tinpot Mafia (SNP) or the Red Dread. On the balance of which viral condition I would like less, a tactical vote was made to prevent the cretinous nodding donkey of an SNP candidate from being elected - unfortunately this meant that the cretinous nodding donkey of a Labour candidate was elected instead. The upside of nationwide tactical voting was the utter evisceration of the SNP, but with the most unfortunate side-effect of electing the most ruinously incompetent government I've known in my lifetime. This shower of halfwits are dangerously terrible - the worst aspect of this is that they don't realise it.
Same as me. I live in Fife and tactically voted Labour with the sole intention of trying to defeat the SNP. Not a Labour fan at all but figured they were going to win anyway - the polls had them miles ahead across the UK as a whole. Not happy with Labour and would have been equally unhappy with the SNP candidate winning in my constituency.GadgeS3C said:
Basically, my position too, although I wouldn't have used "enthusiastic": Perhaps, "mildly optimistic". I hoped that Starmer/Reeves would be the grown-ups and manage their loony left, actually making some necessary positive changes. All I'm seeing now is catastrophe, with little alternative for the next government.
Fair summary IMO.I didn't walk into the voting booth thinking "Yay Keir Starmer" I think like most people who voted I walked in thinking "Get this lot out".
If there was a General Election tomorrow I think I'd have the same sentiment but a much harder choice who to vote for - but not this lot.
You give the benefit of the doubt the first few months but you can't keep doing that and there are no excuses for the absolute mess and lies around the budget.
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