Child molester who changed their name to 'Natalie'
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
I think it might be more the case of the Beeb recognising they are caught on a sticky wicket with this one. Identify as a male and there will be accusations of transphobia etc .Quite who would stand up for this person I don't know - although if you are a proponent of self idenfication I guess you have to own it, for good or for bad cases. Identify as a female and the door will be getting beaten down by people wanting to use it as an example of ideology over the safety of women and girls. They can't win, so they've done probably the sensible thing and just used how other people referred to them instead. Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
That said, progress in the BBC being more sensible about how they report such things is still progress, so yes, maybe.
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this? Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
Randy Winkman said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this? Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
A lot of damaged souls from all of this…
John145 said:
Randy Winkman said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this? Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
A lot of damaged souls from all of this
Anyway, I'm still not sure why this is "far left".
Randy Winkman said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this? Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
A significant portion of the left supports the idea that an individual's self-identified gender is what makes them a man or a woman, and that this identity should take precedence over biological sex in legal contexts. This includes supporting policies that allow for gender self-recognition without a medical diagnosis.
We've previously seen articles saying "woman arrested on suspicion of child sex abuse" etc, only to see the picture (and learn from other sources) that it was a someone born male.
A portion of the far left would see this logged as a crime committed by a female.
A portion of the far left would argue this individual should go to a female prison.
Never forget the Isla Bryson case. Isla Bryson is a transgender woman from Clydebank who, prior to transitioning in 2020, raped two women in 2016 and 2019.
Bryson appeared in court in July 2019 as Adam Graham. He then came out as transgender in 2020.
The prosecution, described how she had "preyed on two vulnerable female partners" after meeting them online. The defense argued Bryson vulnerable due being transgender.
Bryson was sentenced to eight years in prison, with a further three years of supervision upon release, and placed on the Violent and Sex Offender Register for life.
The Scottish Prison Service held a policy that advised that transgender people should generally be allocated to prisons matching "the new gender in which they are living".
While the warrant issued by the Scottish Courts and Tribunal Service called for Bryson to be taken to HM Prison Barlinnie, (for men) the SPS was not bound by it and detained Bryson at HM Prison Cornton Vale, a women-only prison.
Then it emerged that they'd transferred a male sex offender, described as one of Scotland's most dangerous criminals into a women's prison because they self identified.
Tiffany Scott was first convicted of attacking a nurse in Cheshire, England, in 2010, while trying to escape from a hospital. In 2013, Scott admitted stalking a 13-year-old girl while serving time in prison in 2011, and was sentenced to fourteen months in prison, but handed an Order for Lifelong Restriction, meaning release from prison would not be considered until there was no longer an "unmanageable risk to public safety".
Scott self-identified as female in 2016, but hadn't begun to transition. Following a series of violent incidents prison in 2015, which included throwing a chair at a nurse and attacking prison officers, Scott appeared at Falkirk Sheriff Court in 2017 and was sentenced to a further year in prison.
The Crown Office had recommended dropping the case because Scott was believed to pose too much of a danger to the public to appear in court, and the Victorian building at Alloa was deemed to be insufficiently secure. However, the trial was instead moved to Falkirk. Scott did not attend the trial in person, but was required under Scottish law to appear in court for sentencing. Members of the public were cleared from the court when Scott was present.
In October 2023, Scott was convicted of assaults against four prison officers that had occurred during incidents at Glasgow Royal Infirmary and HMP Low Moss during 2021, and sentenced to two years in prison. The trial had to be moved partway through proceedings to accommodate an increase in security .
In 2023, it was confirmed that Scott had successfully applied for a transfer from a men's prison to a women's facility. The Telegraph reported that a previous application to be transferred had been rejected, and that Scott had successfully reapplied to be moved to a women's prison.
Randy Winkman said:
John145 said:
Randy Winkman said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this? Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
A lot of damaged souls from all of this
Anyway, I'm still not sure why this is "far left".
captain_cynic said:
To the hard of thinking anything bad is "left"... no matter how far on the right it is.
The left have always engaged in "identity" politics of which the trans issue is the latest iteration. This is not new nor a point of contention - it is a fundemental part of left wing ideology. RobbieTheTruth said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo.a...
Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
My perception is that what I'm seeing is a bit less dancing on the head of a pin when it looks as if someone might be "gaming" the system to try to escape justice.Interestingly, the BBC have chosen not to use pronouns at all.. They've made it clear it's a "biological male who identifies as a woman", rather than just saying "woman".
Progress?
It feels like the overreach from the far left is being pushed back at every angle.
I'm not a fan of the way there almost seems to be an assumption that if someone transgender commits a crime it's automatically linked to them being transgender.
You see it in some of the reporting and there's plenty of times I've wondered how it's considered relevant.
Genuine question - what does the offender identifying as a woman have anything to do with either the crime or the "Far Far Left"?
If he had identified as a heterosexual male would that somehow mean that the Far Right were responsible? If he idnetified as bisexual or asexual would that be the fault of the Lib dems?
AFICS his "gender"/"sex"/preferred pronouns have got nothing to do with either his offence or the court case or even the BBC.
If he had identified as a heterosexual male would that somehow mean that the Far Right were responsible? If he idnetified as bisexual or asexual would that be the fault of the Lib dems?
AFICS his "gender"/"sex"/preferred pronouns have got nothing to do with either his offence or the court case or even the BBC.
Countdown said:
Genuine question - what does the offender identifying as a woman have anything to do with either the crime or the "Far Far Left"?
If he had identified as a heterosexual male would that somehow mean that the Far Right were responsible? If he idnetified as bisexual or asexual would that be the fault of the Lib dems?
AFICS his "gender"/"sex"/preferred pronouns have got nothing to do with either his offence or the court case or even the BBC.
That's what I'm thinking. It's as if someone thinks that growing his hair long gave him permission to molest a child. If he had identified as a heterosexual male would that somehow mean that the Far Right were responsible? If he idnetified as bisexual or asexual would that be the fault of the Lib dems?
AFICS his "gender"/"sex"/preferred pronouns have got nothing to do with either his offence or the court case or even the BBC.
RobbieTheTruth said:
Getragdogleg said:
Did any of you look at the picture of the person and think "they look like a well balanced and interesting individual, I d love to have a chat with them" ?
No, but the far left saw 'brave and stunning'Mix in the internet and all its odd little areas for the weird and this is the result.
Getragdogleg said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Getragdogleg said:
Did any of you look at the picture of the person and think "they look like a well balanced and interesting individual, I d love to have a chat with them" ?
No, but the far left saw 'brave and stunning'Mix in the internet and all its odd little areas for the weird and this is the result.
Getragdogleg said:
I look at them and see someone who has major problems who has had these problems normalised by too much tolerance and inclusivity. A total lack of any kind of natural "behaviour brakes" (society shunning/piss taking or simply laughing at them) has allowed this individual to reach to extreme they have utterly unchecked.
Mix in the internet and all its odd little areas for the weird and this is the result.
I don’t think “tolerance and inclusivity “ have got anything to do with someone being a sex offender. He is a sex offender who is Trans, Plenty of sex offenders aren’t Trans. I’m guessing most Trans people aren’t sex offenders. Mix in the internet and all its odd little areas for the weird and this is the result.
Jinx said:
captain_cynic said:
To the hard of thinking anything bad is "left"... no matter how far on the right it is.
The left have always engaged in "identity" politics of which the trans issue is the latest iteration. This is not new nor a point of contention - it is a fundemental part of left wing ideology. 
Like no one on the right has ever indulged in identity politics. pheonix478 said:
Randy Winkman said:
What have the "far left" done in relation to all this?
Have you been in a coma the last decade? You really do post the most inane drivel.Your view is that blokes in wigs/dresses etc who have turned out to be sex offenders demonstrate the problems of trans theory.
Randy’s is that sex offenders are sex offenders: that’s not a trans issue.
The problem Randy has is that a significant number of bad actors are using the performance art (as practised by the bad actors) of trans as a means of behaving very badly.
And then washing his hands (much like a fair few comments up thread) and saying bad people are going to be bad.
However when that circumstance is aided and abetted by the state (men in women’s prisons or rape centres) they run off in the opposite direction. Likewise when it comes to the blatant abuse of male genetics over female in sports.
‘Nothing to do with me gov’
‘What’s the left got todo with this?’
‘It’s down to sporting authorities’
The trend may be perhaps that the ‘left’ ought to start pulling their finger out and helping address means by which these problems are addressed as opposed to currently either suggesting it is all prejudice of the right or (as up thread) nothing to do with their movement and the hijacking of the left to achieve said goals.
If the trans movement wants to be taken seriously it needs to start working out the issues it’s rise has caused and stop demonising its opponents who are only calling out the clear issues resulting.
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