Number of police forces to be reduced
Discussion
Cant find a thread on this but am pretty stunned at this.
If it goes ahead I think it's 43 will become 12 or so.
I think it will be a bad move myself
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwnn10rgk4o
If it goes ahead I think it's 43 will become 12 or so.
I think it will be a bad move myself
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwnn10rgk4o
Seems like a sensible idea to me and one which has the backing of the police chiefs themselves.
Why does Yorkshire need 3 separate forces?
There's also a suggestion that Norfolk & Suffolk forces combine - they already have quite a few joint operations, so merging could improve the efficiency of them quite significantly.
Why does Yorkshire need 3 separate forces?
There's also a suggestion that Norfolk & Suffolk forces combine - they already have quite a few joint operations, so merging could improve the efficiency of them quite significantly.
wiggy001 said:
2034.
No way Reform will implement this so happy to file it under "stuff Labour are talking about that will never happen".
Well reform won't be getting in so that's not a problem. No way Reform will implement this so happy to file it under "stuff Labour are talking about that will never happen".
Reform supporters: cut government waste
Labour: plans to reduce government spending.
Reform supporters: Labour noooooooo.
rscott said:
Seems like a sensible idea to me and one which has the backing of the police chiefs themselves.
Why does Yorkshire need 3 separate forces?
There's also a suggestion that Norfolk & Suffolk forces combine - they already have quite a few joint operations, so merging could improve the efficiency of them quite significantly.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but bigger Police Areas means bigger salaries for those at the top.Why does Yorkshire need 3 separate forces?
There's also a suggestion that Norfolk & Suffolk forces combine - they already have quite a few joint operations, so merging could improve the efficiency of them quite significantly.
As with Councils there's a balance between Economies of Scale vs local accountability. Personally I don't think 43 areas is too many.
Countdown said:
Perhaps I'm being cynical but bigger Police Areas means bigger salaries for those at the top.
As with Councils there's a balance between Economies of Scale vs local accountability. Personally I don't think 43 areas is too many.
Sadly this is a cycle government tends to go though. As with Councils there's a balance between Economies of Scale vs local accountability. Personally I don't think 43 areas is too many.
Smaller local services cost too much so start to centralise everything to save money. Centralising everything results in poorer service, missed targets so let's decentralise to focus on deliverables (it also means costs can be pushed to LAs away from national sources).
Same cycle happens with has trusts.
Slightly off topic, but why does the government 'pre-announce' things?
Same as announcing policy on Twttter - it is unprofessional.
article said:
Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood will announce plans for police reform next week.
They obviously know what they are going to announce today... just announce it. Yes, I realise it is in some ways a softening up notification so they get some feedback before committing to the detail. However, it just seems bad government.Same as announcing policy on Twttter - it is unprofessional.
king clue what they are doing.There are two 'types' of policing in England/Wales. There's the Mets and other conurbation forces, and there are county forces. There is significant differences between them, both for the public and the response officers in them.
We read about failures of 'the police', when it is a failure of the Met, as if all coppers are the same. Brush and tarring, and all that.
The metropolitan police forces are generally massive and this gives rise to management and supervision problems, but in particular accountability. The problems experienced by a person from Acacia Avenue, Devon, will be reported to someone who polices a rural area and will understand the problems, and might even be familiar with the locality. A county force will be reluctant to move a PC as it could cost them.
The Met were impressive in my time. They excelled in public order, attracting fact finders from forces across Europe and even Japan. But they also had a series of corruption problems from the late 60s onwards. My force had a firm within a firm. The Mets had firms withing firms within firms. These were all but impossible to eradicate due to the sheer size of the force. Moving a problem PC was not a solution to anything other than the immediate problem.
There is no Met force. It is a series of smaller ones, but being governed but not controlled by a central bureaucracy. Career-oriented senior officers fight for supremacy, and leave a lot of debris in their wakes.
County forces are by no means perfect, with a number of specific weaknesses, but the Met have more.
The vast majority of Met officers are hardworking, and provide great value for money, but any percentage of lazy or corrupt ones will be quite large. In a county force, those ones can be targeted. Not so easy in a large, centralised force.
See Bent Coppers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7H8igUlRE8 It shows corruption in the units in the Met and City forces. (The best is part 3. Some excellent ex-coppers in that.)
There is an England/Wales 'federal style' force, the NCA. Why do we need bigger conglomerates? I want policing structure that suits my area.
We read about failures of 'the police', when it is a failure of the Met, as if all coppers are the same. Brush and tarring, and all that.
The metropolitan police forces are generally massive and this gives rise to management and supervision problems, but in particular accountability. The problems experienced by a person from Acacia Avenue, Devon, will be reported to someone who polices a rural area and will understand the problems, and might even be familiar with the locality. A county force will be reluctant to move a PC as it could cost them.
The Met were impressive in my time. They excelled in public order, attracting fact finders from forces across Europe and even Japan. But they also had a series of corruption problems from the late 60s onwards. My force had a firm within a firm. The Mets had firms withing firms within firms. These were all but impossible to eradicate due to the sheer size of the force. Moving a problem PC was not a solution to anything other than the immediate problem.
There is no Met force. It is a series of smaller ones, but being governed but not controlled by a central bureaucracy. Career-oriented senior officers fight for supremacy, and leave a lot of debris in their wakes.
County forces are by no means perfect, with a number of specific weaknesses, but the Met have more.
The vast majority of Met officers are hardworking, and provide great value for money, but any percentage of lazy or corrupt ones will be quite large. In a county force, those ones can be targeted. Not so easy in a large, centralised force.
See Bent Coppers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7H8igUlRE8 It shows corruption in the units in the Met and City forces. (The best is part 3. Some excellent ex-coppers in that.)
There is an England/Wales 'federal style' force, the NCA. Why do we need bigger conglomerates? I want policing structure that suits my area.
It's all about control.
The government cannot dictate to a high number of independent force heads. Reduce to number and they become more manageable, and 'manage' them they will. It will, eventually, be in full control of the state. Welcome to our political police. It's bad enough now. It will get worse.
For some people in certain counties it will be high costs for lower coverage and zero influence.
The government cannot dictate to a high number of independent force heads. Reduce to number and they become more manageable, and 'manage' them they will. It will, eventually, be in full control of the state. Welcome to our political police. It's bad enough now. It will get worse.
For some people in certain counties it will be high costs for lower coverage and zero influence.
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