Absolute scum in the lake district

[Wacky Racer]

Hopefully the hotel has CCTV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vx0jrnmejo

[swisstoni]

Wacky Racer said:

Hopefully the hotel has CCTV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vx0jrnmejo

Would be a shame if their names were to leak out if bill wasn't paid and the equipment returned in, say, a week?

[redback911]

Yup, that was a shocker. They were brought down very late, given head torches, warm jackets and micro spikes to use. Wasdale Head Inn gave them shelter in the middle of night. The manager stayed up and provided food them as well. One of them had a dodgy knee and needed medication, also provided by the team.

On the positive side a lot of a very generous folks have donated to Wasdale MRT in the last few days.

[uk66fastback]

Name and shame the feckers. Their real names must be known, surely?

[Earthdweller]

"We also would like to return their hospital crutch left in our vehicle that one of them with a previous leg injury had used on the ascent but again, sadly no replies to date."

Do what ?

He climbed up the fell on crutches !!

[bobtail4x4]

I am of the opinion that idiots like this should have insurance to pay for the expenses,

[Its Just Adz]

I saw this on Facebook. Disgusting people.
Surely the rescue team or hotel must have taken some details from them?

[OutInTheShed]

redback911 said:

Yup, that was a shocker. They were brought down very late, given head torches, warm jackets and micro spikes to use. Wasdale Head Inn gave them shelter in the middle of night. The manager stayed up and provided food them as well. One of them had a dodgy knee and needed medication, also provided by the team.

On the positive side a lot of a very generous folks have donated to Wasdale MRT in the last few days.

Seems like the Inn actually offered them a small discount on the accommodation they didn't really have any choice but to accept?

[W12GT]

OutInTheShed said:

redback911 said:

Yup, that was a shocker. They were brought down very late, given head torches, warm jackets and micro spikes to use. Wasdale Head Inn gave them shelter in the middle of night. The manager stayed up and provided food them as well. One of them had a dodgy knee and needed medication, also provided by the team.

On the positive side a lot of a very generous folks have donated to Wasdale MRT in the last few days.

Seems like the Inn actually offered them a small discount on the accommodation they didn't really have any choice but to accept?

For clarity, whose side are you taking here?

[MonkeyBusiness]

"claimed they had left their money in a tent" - Of course they did.

The MR teams must have special powers to stay calm when dealing with utter aholes like this.

[TheInternet]

EFA

Edited by TheInternet on Monday 26th January 16:03

[Ridgemont]

bobtail4x4 said:

I am of the opinion that idiots like this should have insurance to pay for the expenses,

Better still leave them on the peak…

[POIDH]

bobtail4x4 said:

I am of the opinion that idiots like this should have insurance to pay for the expenses,

At what point would you need this insurance? When you are planning a peak over 600m? What about a walk through the woods from the car park? A cut through the dean between the housing estates? A float down a river in a canoe? Up the marked waterfalls trail about 400m from a house? A wander along a remote road towards Ardnamurchan? These are all MRT calls I know folk have responded to.

Insurance and payment for these services just does not work.

Do bear in mind that police can charge people with wasting police time on MRT calls, as MRT are under police direction/call. I *think* in this circumstance the police did not get out of bed / were too busy, so while HQ was involved the MRT turned out themselves. So I am not sure how much water a 'wasting police time' charge would hold or if desireable.

The rescue, while being numpties, I am OK with. We all start somewhere. And we all take risks when outdoors.
The treating of local businesses with such disrespect is unfathomable.

[Digga]

Ridgemont said:

bobtail4x4 said:

I am of the opinion that idiots like this should have insurance to pay for the expenses,

Better still leave them on the peak

Last time I was up on Great Gable, at the head of Wasdale Valley where this took place, I saw three young lads in shorts, trainers, not packs, nothing.

I know the Mountain Rescue guys and girls try not to be judgemental, but I 'm afraid I am. I've been walking the fells since I was 12. On my own supervision, with mates, since I was about 14. There's certain things you just do not do. Failing to observe some basic (inexpensive) rules about kit and preparedness puts yourself at risk, but also the lives of the rescue teams.

[POIDH]

Digga said:

Failing to observe some basic (inexpensive) rules about kit and preparedness puts yourself at risk, but also the lives of the rescue teams.

Have you a list of these Rules for me - keen to make sure I stick to them and everyone else I see on the hill as well.

Also, do you have the context for when these Rules apply? I am keen to know if they apply to hills above a certain height, or maybe it is time from the car park, or certain months of the year or similar.

[Digga]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Long story short, our D of E Silver expedition was interrupted by hurricane Charley (1986). Four of us were camped in two tents up at angle tarn, about 1,500ft up above Ulswater. The tent I was in blew down twice in the night.

Next day began with a bit of calm. We headed off over St Sunday Cragg to next camp site at Grisedale Tarn. It was nice and sunny, but then we could see a wall of grey blowing in from the north and togged up with waterproofs. Within 5 minutes the temperature dropped at least ten degrees. About a half hour later the sky cleared and it was t-shirt weather again. The RAF rescue helicopter dropped down to hole in the wall, by the start of Striding Edge. We later heard a bloke with his son had gone up with no coat and dies of exposure.

[Nezquick]

Digga said:

Ridgemont said:

bobtail4x4 said:

I am of the opinion that idiots like this should have insurance to pay for the expenses,

Better still leave them on the peak

Last time I was up on Great Gable, at the head of Wasdale Valley where this took place, I saw three young lads in shorts, trainers, not packs, nothing.

I know the Mountain Rescue guys and girls try not to be judgemental, but I 'm afraid I am. I've been walking the fells since I was 12. On my own supervision, with mates, since I was about 14. There's certain things you just do not do. Failing to observe some basic (inexpensive) rules about kit and preparedness puts yourself at risk, but also the lives of the rescue teams.

There are complete idiots who go walking in the Lakes. Similarly, my wife and I hiked up the Old Man of Coniston on a crisp winters morning. We were greeted about 200m from the top with a young couple in trainers, with a 500ml bottle of water between them, sat on a rock shivering out of the wind. They had what I can only describe as clothes barely fit for the high street, let alone a mountain in winter. Jeans, trainers, thin jackets, no gloves or hats. They asked how far it was to the top. I suggested to them in fairly frank terms to turn around and get back to the car park as quickly as they could.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to walk up a mountain with a crutch is beyond help.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

POIDH said:

Digga said:

Failing to observe some basic (inexpensive) rules about kit and preparedness puts yourself at risk, but also the lives of the rescue teams.

Have you a list of these Rules for me - keen to make sure I stick to them and everyone else I see on the hill as well.

Also, do you have the context for when these Rules apply? I am keen to know if they apply to hills above a certain height, or maybe it is time from the car park, or certain months of the year or similar.

No stiletto heels. No denim hot pants, unless you're Daisey Duke...or look like Daisey Duke...or you wearing them could be a source of levity on the way down thus keeping the team's spirits up.

Compulsory: One 5" minimum beard. Likes land rovers...but not the modern rubbish.

Advisory: walkie-talkie as you can't call your mate at the bar to change your beer choice in a lot of lakes pubs due to poor reception.

[Nezquick]

POIDH said:

Have you a list of these Rules for me - keen to make sure I stick to them and everyone else I see on the hill as well.

Also, do you have the context for when these Rules apply? I am keen to know if they apply to hills above a certain height, or maybe it is time from the car park, or certain months of the year or similar.

Here's what's I normally wear and/or what's normally in my backpack when I go walking (although i've never bothered with a tick tool).

Walking boots
Comfortable thick wool socks
Waterproof jacket and trousers
Walking trousers (they dry quicker)
Layered clothing for under your jacket
A lightweight down jacket
Gloves
Hat
Head torch
First-aid kit
Compass
Map
Tick removal tool
Water/Water filtration kit
Snacks/food
Small pocket knife
Lighter/matches
Sun cream (in summer)
Sunglasses

[Dibble]

POIDH said:

MRT are under police direction/call.

Erm… what?

MRT/LRT are resources that the police can request help from. The police don’t control them (except perhaps if there’s an active scene they don’t want trampling over, but even then, preservation of life outweighs preservation of evidence/prosecution of offenders).

MRT/LRT are independent of and from the police. They can refuse to assist and any police commander worth their salt will know to listen to search/rescue advisors about what they can/can’t do and when they will/won’t turn out. The police can’t instruct rescue teams to do/not do something (same as RNLI, cave rescue, yada yada yada).