Imane Khelif - the male who won gold in women's boxing
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Utterly insane happenings that led to a male beating up women in the name of sport.
https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/blogs/newsroom/the-...
Finally, Khelif admits to having a Y male sex chromosome.
For those that don't know, Khelif won Olympic Gold in Women's Boxing in 2024. Turns out he has a5-alpha reductase deficiency, which meant he had underdeveloped genitalia at birth and would have just grown into a boy as a teenager as testosterone kicked in.
In 2022, Khelif got tested as XY male. A follow up test in 2023 confirmed male and he was banned by IBA (international Boxing Association)
Despite this, International Olympic Committee (IOC) let him compete, ruling if you have a document saying you're a female, that overrides any actual gender test. The IBA warned IOC that Khelif had been identified male in every gender test they'd made him take, but were ignored.
People who spoke out publicly were accused of bigotry by social media users and much of the mainstream press. Khelif even filed lawsuits against critics for cyberbullying.
He was even honored by the Associated Press as one of the top female athletes of 2024. The AP argued that women of color face disproportionate scrutiny in sex testing controversies. The implication was criticism was bigotry. Biology was ignored.
Now for the first time, Khelif has admitted to having Y chromosome, which triggers male development by initiating testes formation, and also confirmed taking hormone treatments to suppress testosterone before the Olympics.
This really highlights why sport needs to be gender based and not 'trans debates'.
https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/blogs/newsroom/the-...
Finally, Khelif admits to having a Y male sex chromosome.
For those that don't know, Khelif won Olympic Gold in Women's Boxing in 2024. Turns out he has a5-alpha reductase deficiency, which meant he had underdeveloped genitalia at birth and would have just grown into a boy as a teenager as testosterone kicked in.
In 2022, Khelif got tested as XY male. A follow up test in 2023 confirmed male and he was banned by IBA (international Boxing Association)
Despite this, International Olympic Committee (IOC) let him compete, ruling if you have a document saying you're a female, that overrides any actual gender test. The IBA warned IOC that Khelif had been identified male in every gender test they'd made him take, but were ignored.
People who spoke out publicly were accused of bigotry by social media users and much of the mainstream press. Khelif even filed lawsuits against critics for cyberbullying.
He was even honored by the Associated Press as one of the top female athletes of 2024. The AP argued that women of color face disproportionate scrutiny in sex testing controversies. The implication was criticism was bigotry. Biology was ignored.
Now for the first time, Khelif has admitted to having Y chromosome, which triggers male development by initiating testes formation, and also confirmed taking hormone treatments to suppress testosterone before the Olympics.
This really highlights why sport needs to be gender based and not 'trans debates'.
RobbieTheTruth said:
Utterly insane happenings that led to a male beating up women in the name of sport.
https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/blogs/newsroom/the-...
Finally, Khelif admits to having a Y male sex chromosome.
For those that don't know, Khelif won Olympic Gold in Women's Boxing in 2024. Turns out he has a5-alpha reductase deficiency, which meant he had underdeveloped genitalia at birth and would have just grown into a boy as a teenager as testosterone kicked in.
In 2022, Khelif got tested as XY male. A follow up test in 2023 confirmed male and he was banned by IBA (international Boxing Association)
Despite this, International Olympic Committee (IOC) let him compete, ruling if you have a document saying you're a female, that overrides any actual gender test. The IBA warned IOC that Khelif had been identified male in every gender test they'd made him take, but were ignored.
People who spoke out publicly were accused of bigotry by social media users and much of the mainstream press. Khelif even filed lawsuits against critics for cyberbullying.
He was even honored by the Associated Press as one of the top female athletes of 2024. The AP argued that women of color face disproportionate scrutiny in sex testing controversies. The implication was criticism was bigotry. Biology was ignored.
Now for the first time, Khelif has admitted to having Y chromosome, which triggers male development by initiating testes formation, and also confirmed taking hormone treatments to suppress testosterone before the Olympics.
This really highlights why sport needs to be gender based and not 'trans debates'.
Just a point of note (bold)https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/blogs/newsroom/the-...
Finally, Khelif admits to having a Y male sex chromosome.
For those that don't know, Khelif won Olympic Gold in Women's Boxing in 2024. Turns out he has a5-alpha reductase deficiency, which meant he had underdeveloped genitalia at birth and would have just grown into a boy as a teenager as testosterone kicked in.
In 2022, Khelif got tested as XY male. A follow up test in 2023 confirmed male and he was banned by IBA (international Boxing Association)
Despite this, International Olympic Committee (IOC) let him compete, ruling if you have a document saying you're a female, that overrides any actual gender test. The IBA warned IOC that Khelif had been identified male in every gender test they'd made him take, but were ignored.
People who spoke out publicly were accused of bigotry by social media users and much of the mainstream press. Khelif even filed lawsuits against critics for cyberbullying.
He was even honored by the Associated Press as one of the top female athletes of 2024. The AP argued that women of color face disproportionate scrutiny in sex testing controversies. The implication was criticism was bigotry. Biology was ignored.
Now for the first time, Khelif has admitted to having Y chromosome, which triggers male development by initiating testes formation, and also confirmed taking hormone treatments to suppress testosterone before the Olympics.
This really highlights why sport needs to be gender based and not 'trans debates'.
The IBA never gave a f
k until he/she/they/whatever beat THEIR boxer. And never provided any proof since they didn't actually make Khelif take any tests.Also worth remembering that the IBA is basically "the kremlin" so taking their view on things given they are banned from the Olympics would have been a bit dodgy.
Saying that, whilst clearly this is a massive scandal. And female athletes have suffered as a result. There was also a ton of "looks masculine must be a guy" going on. Which was equally stupid. A lot of the genuinely female athletes in some sports are pretty masculine looking. Power lifters or shot putters etc
Trial by social media is not how we should be doing things
Provide evidence or tests to prove one way or the other.
Clearly I'm not a Dr. But even the new data/admission today sort of points towards him not actually having a pair of swingers. So if no balls that work, and a body that doesn't produce testosterone in the usual amounts of a healthy male. What does that actually mean? Is this like Semenya?
BunkMoreland said:
and a body that doesn't produce testosterone in the usual amounts of a healthy male.
Produced enough that he took hormone treatments to suppress testosterone."Khelif has admitted to having Y chromosome, which triggers male development by initiating testes formation, and also confirmed taking hormone treatments to suppress testosterone before the Olympics."
Is anyone on the thread a female boxer that Khelif beat?
The athlete certainly doesn’t have a 100% record of winning bouts and certainly a victim of the tests which are not set up to prove female, but prove the absence of male.
Perhaps with less anti - trans hysteria, people in this category could be dealt with without fear or favour, but the hysteria makes people protect them from prejudice and thus slows down the process to the detriment of all the athletes involved.
The athlete certainly doesn’t have a 100% record of winning bouts and certainly a victim of the tests which are not set up to prove female, but prove the absence of male.
Perhaps with less anti - trans hysteria, people in this category could be dealt with without fear or favour, but the hysteria makes people protect them from prejudice and thus slows down the process to the detriment of all the athletes involved.
Randy Winkman said:
It does seem like there was a complete cock-up with regards making a decision with respect to the Olympics. Really poor.
There wasn't a cock up. They knew he tested as a biological male. Their policy was deliberately designed to allow him to fight, because it was ideology over fact.Rough101 said:
...a victim of the tests which are not set up to prove female, but prove the absence of male.
That's what female is.The victims are the ones who entered female boxing competitions only to be slugging it out with a bloke. And every other female out there seeking inspirational women to look up to.
Rough101 said:
Is anyone on the thread a female boxer that Khelif beat?
The athlete certainly doesn t have a 100% record of winning bouts and certainly a victim of the tests which are not set up to prove female, but prove the absence of male.
Perhaps with less anti - trans hysteria, people in this category could be dealt with without fear or favour, but the hysteria makes people protect them from prejudice and thus slows down the process to the detriment of all the athletes involved.
Is that a genuine point (he never won ALL of his bouts so it's not a huge issue) or am I misunderstanding? He won an Olympic gold. Outside of the physical violence women endured at the hands f him dressed up as legal sport, an Algerian woman who has trained all her life missed out on an Olympic place. The woman who came 4th has trained all her life and lost a medal to a male. The girl who got silver had her gold robbed by a male.The athlete certainly doesn t have a 100% record of winning bouts and certainly a victim of the tests which are not set up to prove female, but prove the absence of male.
Perhaps with less anti - trans hysteria, people in this category could be dealt with without fear or favour, but the hysteria makes people protect them from prejudice and thus slows down the process to the detriment of all the athletes involved.
Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
EDIT - after reading again, I may be misunderstanding your point and mis-representing your views....
Edited by RobbieTheTruth on Sunday 22 February 21:59
RobbieTheTruth said:
Is that a genuine point (he never won ALL of his bouts so it's not a huge issue) or am I misunderstanding? He won an Olympic gold. Outside of the physical violence women endured at the hands f him dressed up as legal sport, an Algerian woman who has trained all her life missed out on an Olympic place. The woman who came 4th has trained all her life and lost a medal to a male. The girl who got silver had her gold robbed by a male.
Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
Hysterical bigotry is what allowed this to continue, made this boxer a victim to be protected rather than dealt with objectively and told they can’t compete.Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
Rough101 said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Is that a genuine point (he never won ALL of his bouts so it's not a huge issue) or am I misunderstanding? He won an Olympic gold. Outside of the physical violence women endured at the hands f him dressed up as legal sport, an Algerian woman who has trained all her life missed out on an Olympic place. The woman who came 4th has trained all her life and lost a medal to a male. The girl who got silver had her gold robbed by a male.
Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
Hysterical bigotry is what allowed this to continue, made this boxer a victim to be protected rather than dealt with objectively and told they can t compete.Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
amusingduck said:
That's putting the cart before the horse. 'Hysterical bigotry' is the reaction to throwing objectivity out of the window, not the cause.
People end up in protected groups that get an easy pass on rules because of the bigotry of others. Without any overt racism, no one would be able to play a race card for example. This particular case got caught up in the whole anti-trans thing, when that wasn t the case at all, but you ll find plenty of loud mouth high profile social media accounts from around the time of the last Olympics claiming this is a trans athlete, despite living their entire life since birth as a female, so no wonder the IOC soft pedalled it. As an early post eluded to, no one was bothered until a disgraced federations champion lost their belt.
Edited by Rough101 on Sunday 22 February 22:20
Rough101 said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Is that a genuine point (he never won ALL of his bouts so it's not a huge issue) or am I misunderstanding? He won an Olympic gold. Outside of the physical violence women endured at the hands f him dressed up as legal sport, an Algerian woman who has trained all her life missed out on an Olympic place. The woman who came 4th has trained all her life and lost a medal to a male. The girl who got silver had her gold robbed by a male.
Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
Hysterical bigotry is what allowed this to continue, made this boxer a victim to be protected rather than dealt with objectively and told they can t compete.Your point about wanting 'less anti-trans hysteria' is garbage. Hysteria is EXACTLY what's needed here, to stop something like this ever happening again.
Like playing a computer game with cheat codes.
Putting aside the fact he's knowingly beaten up a bunch of women I wonder how much he's been able gain financially.
Bit like Lance Armstrong, they can take away the titles on paper but he made hundreds of millions off the back of his success.
Putting aside the fact he's knowingly beaten up a bunch of women I wonder how much he's been able gain financially.
Bit like Lance Armstrong, they can take away the titles on paper but he made hundreds of millions off the back of his success.
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