Where Is Our Navy?
Discussion
With what's going on in the Gulf and the Mediterranean i have been wondering exactly where our navy is. It has 63 vessels including 9 subs, 26 patrol vessels, 18 mine warfare boats and 4 "others".
The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the s
t hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days?
The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the s
t hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days? TorqueVR said:
With what's going on in the Gulf and the Mediterranean i have been wondering exactly where our navy is. It has 63 vessels including 9 subs, 26 patrol vessels, 18 mine warfare boats and 4 "others".
The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the st hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days?
Are we at war? Isn't this Trump's folly?The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the s
t hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days? It really is a truly dreadful situation we find ourselves in right now.
A few years ago I worked on the Dragonfire Directed Energy Weapon system, which was designed to be installed on our type 45 destroyer ships.
It seems amazing to hear that only one of those ships is ready for active service.
Surely it’s not just down to poor political leaders and a lack of funding?
Why aren’t the Senior Commanders of the Navy addressing this ?
A few years ago I worked on the Dragonfire Directed Energy Weapon system, which was designed to be installed on our type 45 destroyer ships.
It seems amazing to hear that only one of those ships is ready for active service.
Surely it’s not just down to poor political leaders and a lack of funding?
Why aren’t the Senior Commanders of the Navy addressing this ?
TorqueVR said:
With what's going on in the Gulf and the Mediterranean i have been wondering exactly where our navy is. It has 63 vessels including 9 subs, 26 patrol vessels, 18 mine warfare boats and 4 "others".
The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the st hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days?
See also helicopters, tanks and even lorries. We've got this kit lined up looking shiney but not usable.The ones that really count are the 2 aircraft carriers, the 6 destroyers and the 8 frigates. We know about HMS Dragon and I understand the HMS Duncan is ready to go, but what's the state of readiness of all the rest? If the s
t hits the fan how many could put to see in the next few days? nigelpugh7 said:
It really is a truly dreadful situation we find ourselves in right now.
A few years ago I worked on the Dragonfire Directed Energy Weapon system, which was designed to be installed on our type 45 destroyer ships.
It seems amazing to hear that only one of those ships is ready for active service.
Surely it s not just down to poor political leaders and a lack of funding?
Why aren t the Senior Commanders of the Navy addressing this ?
One Type 45 and one nuclear sub ready for active service because on taking office, John Healey put a total freeze on MOD spending and then set out where cuts needed to be made. One of the parts of MOD that I deal with has been running at 30% of required resource for the last 15 years, so its not just the current lot that have utterly undermined our defenses. The difference is that Labour have claimed they are increasing Defence spending when in actual fact there is no spend planned until the next parliament, when they'll almost certainly be out of office. Classic 'kick the can down the road' behavior claiming an aspiration as a success.A few years ago I worked on the Dragonfire Directed Energy Weapon system, which was designed to be installed on our type 45 destroyer ships.
It seems amazing to hear that only one of those ships is ready for active service.
Surely it s not just down to poor political leaders and a lack of funding?
Why aren t the Senior Commanders of the Navy addressing this ?
BikeBikeBIke said:
See also helicopters, tanks and even lorries. We've got this kit lined up looking shiney but not usable.
I had a small involvement in engineering for a fleet of I think at least 220 militarized road tankers, I think they were for Wattisham Apache ops etc. I kept tabs on them for a few years, none of them ever turned a wheel and probably all scrapped by now.
The British population voted for the current clusterfk prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really ‘wake up and smell the coffee’ the UK will continue its inexorable decline.
k prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really ‘wake up and smell the coffee’ the UK will continue its inexorable decline.Garvin said:
The British population voted for the current clusterfk prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really wake up and smell the coffee the UK will continue its inexorable decline.
It doesn't matter who you vote for - we've under invested for decades. The problem is we want to have a big willy-waving fleet but are not prepared to pay for it.k prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really wake up and smell the coffee the UK will continue its inexorable decline.The best thing about this war of Trump's is how it's made the public sit up and take notice of how unprepared our armed forces are - and have been for some time.
Despite a few well meaning local politicians doing their best to highlight this over the years to no avail, it's taken a small building on Cyprus being damaged to start the shouting and cries of indignation by the taxpayer and point-scoring journalists.
Our service personnel are some of the best in the world, their commitment and abilities are not under any criticism or scrutiny. I've no doubt everyone involved with preparing HMS Dragon for her voyage this weekend will be flat out at their respective tasks while maintaining utmost professionalism.
However, they can't operate without the correct resources and those resources require funding along with a clear leadership and direction. And that's before we mention the need for a recruitment drive with associated budget.
Hopefully this situation will actually be addressed now. It's been ignored for far too long.
Despite a few well meaning local politicians doing their best to highlight this over the years to no avail, it's taken a small building on Cyprus being damaged to start the shouting and cries of indignation by the taxpayer and point-scoring journalists.
Our service personnel are some of the best in the world, their commitment and abilities are not under any criticism or scrutiny. I've no doubt everyone involved with preparing HMS Dragon for her voyage this weekend will be flat out at their respective tasks while maintaining utmost professionalism.
However, they can't operate without the correct resources and those resources require funding along with a clear leadership and direction. And that's before we mention the need for a recruitment drive with associated budget.
Hopefully this situation will actually be addressed now. It's been ignored for far too long.
Zetec-S said:
It doesn't matter who you vote for - we've under invested for decades. The problem is we want to have a big willy-waving fleet but are not prepared to pay for it.
Considering we are an island nation the hollowing out of the Navy has been an utter disgrace.We don't need a massive Army unless we're going to engage in significant operations overseas.
Garvin said:
The British population voted for the current clusterfk prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really wake up and smell the coffee the UK will continue its inexorable decline.
you would honestly have thought the Tories might have supported the armed forces better, but no. The whole British Army wouldn't fill Wembley Stadium, apparently. Woo woo for the red, white and blue.k prioritising over-fat, dumb and happy health, welfare and bureaucratic systems and allowing the security of the nation to atrophy because, in general, the UK population is fat, dumb and happy. We voted for this and must now suck up the result . . . tis our own fault. Until we Brits really wake up and smell the coffee the UK will continue its inexorable decline.deadslow said:
you would honestly have thought the Tories might have supported the armed forces better, but no. The whole British Army wouldn't fill Wembley Stadium, apparently. Woo woo for the red, white and blue.
It's genuinely a source of humiliation and shame.This needs sorting - our economy and tax take is perfectly capable of properly funding an appropriate level of defence and security. We need to get deadly serious in our examination of where our ££'s get spent.
We need to get even more serious in examining and deciding what we want government to be.
I feel like a revolution!
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