Why antisemitic stuff suddenly?
Discussion
littleredrooster said:
Part of an international backlash from Israel bombing seven bells out of Gaza?
I'd have thought so. They totally don't deserve it in my view but I assume that's why it is. A shame that warmongers of all sides don't realise that if they do x then the most likely thing to happen is y. A500leroy said:
Aw, ok. It's stupid then.
Bit like if we attacked an American tourist cause Trump is an arse.
The current wave of visible attacks and abuse I suppose yes that's one way to see it.Bit like if we attacked an American tourist cause Trump is an arse.
Keep in mind though antisemitism has been around for years, it pre-dates Israel and Netanyahu and the current conflicts in Gaza and Iran, and when you get to both ends of the political spectrum antisemitism seems to be there but for different reasons depending on the group.
MajorMantra said:
Because some thicko deluxes equate being Jewish with supporting Israeli government policy.
(You can be appalled by antisemitic crimes and also appalled by what Israel is doing. It's not hard!)
Indeed.(You can be appalled by antisemitic crimes and also appalled by what Israel is doing. It's not hard!)
A lot of those cretins don't seem to realise there are plenty of British jews who despise what's going on in Israel as well..
I think that we, as a society, seem to have allowed increasingly vitriolic language and attitudes to become normalised.
For example (and I realise this isn't identical), immediately post 9/11 it would have been unimaginable to have pro-Taliban demonstrations through-out central London, yet 25 years later post 7th Oct pro-Palestinian protests were considered completely normal.
So now we seem to be at the stage where is perfectly normal to say that everyone is a Nazi, or everyone is woke, or everyone is a far right fascist, or everyone is a snowflake etc, with this "radicalised/de-humanising" language and attitude generally going unchecked by society as a whole. I'd suggest that this is mostly because the "silent majority" of folks just don't want to deal with the infantilised adults who use this language the most, because they seem to react extremely negatively (again like children) when people tell them to stop it.
Thats how if feels to me at the minute anyway. It feels like the pressure/tension is constantly being ratcheted up and eventually something will break, and I'd rather we tried to reduce this because when it does break, it'll be terrible for everyone.
For example (and I realise this isn't identical), immediately post 9/11 it would have been unimaginable to have pro-Taliban demonstrations through-out central London, yet 25 years later post 7th Oct pro-Palestinian protests were considered completely normal.
So now we seem to be at the stage where is perfectly normal to say that everyone is a Nazi, or everyone is woke, or everyone is a far right fascist, or everyone is a snowflake etc, with this "radicalised/de-humanising" language and attitude generally going unchecked by society as a whole. I'd suggest that this is mostly because the "silent majority" of folks just don't want to deal with the infantilised adults who use this language the most, because they seem to react extremely negatively (again like children) when people tell them to stop it.
Thats how if feels to me at the minute anyway. It feels like the pressure/tension is constantly being ratcheted up and eventually something will break, and I'd rather we tried to reduce this because when it does break, it'll be terrible for everyone.
IanH755 said:
For example (and I realise this isn't identical), immediately post 9/11 it would have been unimaginable to have pro-Taliban demonstrations through-out central London, yet 25 years later post 7th Oct pro-Palestinian protests were considered completely normal.
Thing is Ian and it may be inadvertant but I don't automatically equate being "pro-Palestine" with being antisemitic and I certainly wouldn't see being "pro-Palestine" as the same as being "pro-Taliban".I'm not saying it to be pedantic but it seems in the case of Israel you have one group of people who are unwilling or unable to differentiate between a religion and the Government of a country in the case of Israel but equally Palestine isn't the same thing as Hamas etc.
_Rodders_ said:
I think some people struggle to distinguish between the powers that be in Israel and Jews more generally.
The current powers that be in Israel work very hard to blur the difference, it provides a handy moral figleaf.Unsurprising that after various official statements equating opposition to Israeli government actions with general antisemitism that other people might not notice there's a difference either.
If you look at the history of Jewish people in Europe it s 1000 years of abuses and pograms - the Nazis were just the most recent group to attempt a final solution .
The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
butchstewie said:
IanH755 said:
For example (and I realise this isn't identical), immediately post 9/11 it would have been unimaginable to have pro-Taliban demonstrations through-out central London, yet 25 years later post 7th Oct pro-Palestinian protests were considered completely normal.
Thing is Ian and it may be inadvertant but I don't automatically equate being "pro-Palestine" with being antisemitic and I certainly wouldn't see being "pro-Palestine" as the same as being "pro-Taliban".I'm not saying it to be pedantic but it seems in the case of Israel you have one group of people who are unwilling or unable to differentiate between a religion and the Government of a country in the case of Israel but equally Palestine isn't the same thing as Hamas etc.
TTwiggy said:
If you look at the history of Jewish people in Europe it s 1000 years of abuses and pograms - the Nazis were just the most recent group to attempt a final solution .
The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
Even in the UK historically there have been some very disgusting examples of hatred against jews, quite often whipped up for political reasons.The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
Countdown said:
TTwiggy said:
If you look at the history of Jewish people in Europe it s 1000 years of abuses and pograms - the Nazis were just the most recent group to attempt a final solution .
The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
Even in the UK historically there have been some very disgusting examples of hatred against jews, quite often whipped up for political reasons.The reasons are complex, but like a lot of what gets the blanket treatment of racism it s actually about caste - define a group as less than and untouchables and you can effectively do what you like to them.
Racism - in its true form - isn t about skin colour per se, it s about othering.
butchstewie said:
Thing is Ian and it may be inadvertant but I don't automatically equate being "pro-Palestine" with being antisemitic and I certainly wouldn't see being "pro-Palestine" as the same as being "pro-Taliban".
It's not automatic, and sure some people will jump onto the bandwagon not knowing what they are really saying. However I'm in no doubt that significant number of that bandwagon are antisemitic behind the scenes, and even occasionally let slip. Like this chap:-https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/aspire-to...
MajorMantra said:
Because some thicko deluxes equate being Jewish with supporting Israeli government policy.
(You can be appalled by antisemitic crimes and also appalled by what Israel is doing. It's not hard!)
This. I'm not sure why antisemitism seems to be specifically isolated in discussion and reporting. It's just a racist attack on Jews because a load of racists associate Jews with Israel. I guess in the UK Antisemitism was the first official Racism (unless you count the massacre of Danes), but this creation of a separate social discussion of racist attacks against one group doesn't sit well with me. (You can be appalled by antisemitic crimes and also appalled by what Israel is doing. It's not hard!)
Likewise the French attempt to equate anti-Israel sentiments with racism against Jews. Basically legally confirming the very mindset of terrorists like our Golders Green stabbist.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260404-is-opp...
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