No NEET Solution: Why the Youth Employment System is Broken
Discussion
One in six young people will not be in work or training in five years according to this report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy026x9jpd0o
The report warns that one in six UK young people (1.25 million) will be out of work or training by 2031 due to a broken system.
Key TakeawaysSystem Failure if you CBA reading it all
Education, health, and welfare systems fail to prepare youth for jobs.
Funding Imbalance: The government spends 25 times more on benefits than on employment support.
Fewer Entry Jobs: Retail and hospitality roles have shrunk, creating an experience catch-22.
Willing to Work: 84% of affected young people explicitly want a job or training.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy026x9jpd0o
The report warns that one in six UK young people (1.25 million) will be out of work or training by 2031 due to a broken system.
Key TakeawaysSystem Failure if you CBA reading it all
Education, health, and welfare systems fail to prepare youth for jobs.
Funding Imbalance: The government spends 25 times more on benefits than on employment support.
Fewer Entry Jobs: Retail and hospitality roles have shrunk, creating an experience catch-22.
Willing to Work: 84% of affected young people explicitly want a job or training.
I wont take young people on because they cost too much and I have to pay for them to gain experience.
Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
I’d imagine some of it is down to the lack of any hope amongst young people, why try when you think everything is against you. I’ve personally seen people a bit older than this now in their 30s slog their guts out to not be able to obtain the basics that generations before had and have, a house, holidays etc. Birth rates are falling for the same reason.
I’m someone who genuinely believes the youth has it so much harder, and the baby boomer generation still shouts the loudest and bemoans the youth.
I’m someone who genuinely believes the youth has it so much harder, and the baby boomer generation still shouts the loudest and bemoans the youth.
Getragdogleg said:
I wont take young people on because they cost too much and I have to pay for them to gain experience.
Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
Yes it’s their own fault.Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
Whereas in the past young people, including yourself, were completely different?
Do you really think young people have changed or have you just got old and grumpy?
Minimum wage is too high.
Kids today don't want to do the jobs that are needed.
They don't want to work on building sites, care homes, etc.
They want to make content and be influencers.
We have sold them a dream that everyone should have the perfect job. In reality, jobs were rarely an extension of a hobby.
Also, generations ago, a kid living at home, didn't used to get benefits if they were out of work.
ETA Daily Wail link which is also relevant
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15853061/Tw...
Kids today don't want to do the jobs that are needed.
They don't want to work on building sites, care homes, etc.
They want to make content and be influencers.
We have sold them a dream that everyone should have the perfect job. In reality, jobs were rarely an extension of a hobby.
Also, generations ago, a kid living at home, didn't used to get benefits if they were out of work.
ETA Daily Wail link which is also relevant
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15853061/Tw...
Edited by Slow.Patrol on Thursday 28th May 08:30
oyster said:
Yes it s their own fault.
Whereas in the past young people, including yourself, were completely different?
Do you really think young people have changed or have you just got old and grumpy?
I think they've changed.Whereas in the past young people, including yourself, were completely different?
Do you really think young people have changed or have you just got old and grumpy?
Not least because - now, during school you're always a winner. Come last in every activity? No worries - you're a winner! You tried!
Then they leave school and: Welcome to the real world.
Gary29 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
ETA Daily Wail link which is also relevant
There's a statement I never thought I'd read.Edited by Slow.Patrol on Thursday 28th May 08:30
Getragdogleg said:
I wont take young people on because they cost too much and I have to pay for them to gain experience.
Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
It is a shame that you a) tar all young people with the same negative brush and b) have such poor recruitment processes in place that you keep recruiting poor employees.Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
I think the world has changed and become a lot softer
We are a wealthy country where everyone expects to be a millionaire and have it gifted on a plate
The idea of grafting you're ass off to get anywhere seems an anathema to many
If they can't walk straight into a high paying job they'd rather sit at home and let the gov pay them
The safety net needs cutting basically
If they aren't working and getting benefits then they need to work for the Gov .. there's loads of jobs the councils say they can't afford to do but we will happily pay an army of workers to sit on their ass's instead
Get them in, cleaning graffiti, cutting verges, picking litter, delivering meals on wheels etc
Work for welfare .. don't like don't get money or go and get yourself an income
We are a wealthy country where everyone expects to be a millionaire and have it gifted on a plate
The idea of grafting you're ass off to get anywhere seems an anathema to many
If they can't walk straight into a high paying job they'd rather sit at home and let the gov pay them
The safety net needs cutting basically
If they aren't working and getting benefits then they need to work for the Gov .. there's loads of jobs the councils say they can't afford to do but we will happily pay an army of workers to sit on their ass's instead
Get them in, cleaning graffiti, cutting verges, picking litter, delivering meals on wheels etc
Work for welfare .. don't like don't get money or go and get yourself an income
Minimum wage is fine, and it's not the issue. In fact it should be increased.
The incentive should be at the tax level to encourage businesses to hire younger workers. The first £20k tax free that Reform are suggesting is a good start, and make NI contributions and employer taxes zero for younger workers - especially if they are British. So as an employer you can hire whoever you want, but if you take the chance on younger British workers then you pay less tax.
The incentive should be at the tax level to encourage businesses to hire younger workers. The first £20k tax free that Reform are suggesting is a good start, and make NI contributions and employer taxes zero for younger workers - especially if they are British. So as an employer you can hire whoever you want, but if you take the chance on younger British workers then you pay less tax.
Getragdogleg said:
I wont take young people on because they cost too much and I have to pay for them to gain experience.
Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
I would have thought filed this under usual cliché jibe aimed at jobless youth but a a friend of mine runs an entertainment venue which i frequent alot (mainly so i can bash the drums on the stage after work!) She primarily hires students in their last year and ones who can't find a job after leaving uni and says exactly the same thing about pissing around phones constantly!Couple that with the prevailing lazy attitude many of them have and their tiny attention spans and need to look at a phone constantly and an astonishing sense of entitlement and Its all quite clear.
They are bad value.
The ones who tidy up and collects glasses when not looking after customers, take initiative so she doesn't have to explain absolutely everything to them etc. are the ones who walk straight into a proper graduate job (even in this tough market). It's not that the rest are lazy - they just don't try hard enough or take pride in their work.
They need more experience/feedback to condition them to the daily grind so yes I would agree with reducing the minimum wage for <25.
Fact is, there are not that many jobs.
What is this 'work' which needs doing?
People in their late 20s/30s are not progressing out of the entry level jobs.
Older people are going back into min wage jobs.
AI, IT, outsourcing, manufacturing efficiency, we are now seeing a reduction in the number of jobs needed.
And as a country, we are not rich enough to create lots of jobs.
What is this 'work' which needs doing?
People in their late 20s/30s are not progressing out of the entry level jobs.
Older people are going back into min wage jobs.
AI, IT, outsourcing, manufacturing efficiency, we are now seeing a reduction in the number of jobs needed.
And as a country, we are not rich enough to create lots of jobs.
Hippea said:
I d imagine some of it is down to the lack of any hope amongst young people, why try when you think everything is against you. I ve personally seen people a bit older than this now in their 30s slog their guts out to not be able to obtain the basics that generations before had and have, a house, holidays etc. Birth rates are falling for the same reason.
I m someone who genuinely believes the youth has it so much harder, and the baby boomer generation still shouts the loudest and bemoans the youth.
I m someone who genuinely believes the youth has it so much harder, and the baby boomer generation still shouts the loudest and bemoans the youth.
I am very grateful I'm 53 and not 23. I don't envy someone of that age at all.
When I look back on the opportunities I had at that age a lot of them are simply not available for many reasons.
There are tons of jobs .
Sadly since 97 there has been a move to far too much higher education and a drive for profits moving skills away and s
t low paid jobs in.
As a kid a life on welfare is easier than being the only English working person in a warehouse isn't it, unless you have the work ethic. There are not entry level unskilled jobs for n9n retail and logistics may be,but there are jobs
This generation don't
Endless drive on housing and buy to let also doesn't help, so getting a house onHA with "health issues" is also easier.
Sadly since 97 there has been a move to far too much higher education and a drive for profits moving skills away and s
t low paid jobs in.As a kid a life on welfare is easier than being the only English working person in a warehouse isn't it, unless you have the work ethic. There are not entry level unskilled jobs for n9n retail and logistics may be,but there are jobs
This generation don't
Endless drive on housing and buy to let also doesn't help, so getting a house onHA with "health issues" is also easier.
davek_964 said:
Then they leave school and: Welcome to the real world.
Back in the day the real world entailed entering an identifiable path that soon enough meant being able to afford a real life. You could also operate a sort of life in the meantime. That's gone for a lot of people and it won't be returning. It was a historical blip that shone briefly.
Today's endless distraction, unattainable aspiration and system not set up to encourage you to get ahead doesn't help either.
People who plan to do everything 'right' can see that they seem to wind up lumbered with the heaviest burden.
And if I were employing people, the expense of taking on someone totally unproven, when I'd have the pick of people with some track record for only a small percentage more, would turn me right off.
There are also previously unimaginable opportunities these days, but not everyone's wired for that.
And just to round things up - 16% interest rates, avocados, s**wflake, blah blah bleurgh.
Edited by bloomen on Thursday 28th May 11:07
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