State pension age to rise to 68 earlier than planned
State pension age to rise to 68 earlier than planned
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Slow.Patrol

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5,437 posts

43 months

Thursday 16th July
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https://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news/treasury-con...

I was listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday and a caller made a comment that today's OAPs were leaving school at 16, whereas now it is 18 or later for university students. He cut her short, but it was very relevant.

NRS

26,290 posts

230 months

Thursday 16th July
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Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.

Slow.Patrol

Original Poster:

5,437 posts

43 months

Thursday 16th July
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.

ozzuk

1,455 posts

156 months

Thursday 16th July
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This was a recommendation by a reporting organisation but it hasn't been agreed at yet. Currently I believe its still 67 if born before April 1977, 68 after that. Lots of headlines today trying to grab attention though!

Spare tyre

12,558 posts

159 months

Thursday 16th July
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Too many noses in the big trough

Something has to give

Countdown

49,372 posts

225 months

Thursday 16th July
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair.
This.

Or pay into a private pension so you can still retire early.

Peterpetrole

1,765 posts

26 months

Thursday 16th July
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ozzuk said:
This was a recommendation by a reporting organisation but it hasn't been agreed at yet. Currently I believe its still 67 if born before April 1977, 68 after that. Lots of headlines today trying to grab attention though!
This was covered in some excellent reporting in the Times yesterday.

The proposal has been uncovered in official government economic forecast data along the lines of 'the working assumption is that 68 will be introduced much sooner than the official changeover date, but we are not going to announce it anytime soon due to electoral considerations'

Cats_pyjamas

1,931 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th July
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Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!

Mr Pointy

13,361 posts

188 months

Thursday 16th July
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Slow.Patrol said:
Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote for Labour & more bennies.
EFA

chrispmartha

23,490 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th July
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Slow.Patrol said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.
You can work at 16 in this country

S600BSB

8,354 posts

135 months

Thursday 16th July
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Countdown said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair.
This.

Or pay into a private pension so you can still retire early.
Exactly

gregs656

12,354 posts

210 months

Thursday 16th July
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Keeping the triple lock is not just impacting young people any more. Maybe some people closer to retirement age will support removing it if the alternative is raising retirement age more quickly than planned.

TriumphStag3.0V8

5,453 posts

110 months

Thursday 16th July
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chrispmartha said:
Slow.Patrol said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.
You can work at 16 in this country
What is the percentage of 16 year olds in work now vs, say 40 years ago?

Tell you what... let me google it for you....

"In 1986, approximately 20% of 16-year-olds in the UK were in employment. Today, only about 1.7% to 2% of the total 16 to 17-year-old population is employed full-time. This dramatic drop is largely because the legal leaving age for education and training was raised to 18, meaning nearly all 16-year-olds are now in full-time education."

So a massive difference.

dxg

10,730 posts

289 months

Thursday 16th July
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That's what happens when you devalue the trades and destroy the industrial base.

moanthebairns

19,016 posts

227 months

Thursday 16th July
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
It was overly fair for boomers it appears.

DJC76

13,570 posts

154 months

Thursday 16th July
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
What is the percentage of 16 year olds in work now vs, say 40 years ago?

Tell you what... let me google it for you....

"In 1986, approximately 20% of 16-year-olds in the UK were in employment. Today, only about 1.7% to 2% of the total 16 to 17-year-old population is employed full-time. This dramatic drop is largely because the legal leaving age for education and training was raised to 18, meaning nearly all 16-year-olds are now in full-time education."

So a massive difference.
Genuine question, were apprenticeships classed as full time work back in ‘86? They’re not any more because you spend at least 1 day per week at a technical college at 16-18. I know that won’t explain an 18% difference but I can’t say that I have any issue with it, nor do I have any issue with raising the pension age to 68. A nice round figure of 50 years working doesn’t sound crazy to me.

fiatpower

3,637 posts

200 months

Thursday 16th July
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Cats_pyjamas said:
Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!
You're the same age as me. I'd be amazed if there's still a state pension which isn't means tested by then.

P-Jay

11,404 posts

220 months

Thursday 16th July
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Is this 'news'? NHRC has been telling me 68 for at least a few years, I'm 49 now.

LordGrover

34,164 posts

241 months

Thursday 16th July
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A justification for the triple lock is despite it being in place for c. 15 years, British pensioners are still way behind most of our European cousins.


Cats_pyjamas

1,931 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th July
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fiatpower said:
Cats_pyjamas said:
Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!
You're the same age as me. I'd be amazed if there's still a state pension which isn't means tested by then.
Hoping for the best but planning for the worst. It wouldn't surprise me either, and unfortunately it's those who have been prudent and saved will be shafted.