Mersea Island incident
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StevieBee

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15,172 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd July
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This looks horrible: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyjpdg5940t

I know this place very well. It feels to me more than a 'caught in the tide' incident which isn't a particularly severe threat there.

Very sad nonetheless.

Roofless Toothless

7,453 posts

160 months

Thursday 23rd July
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We’ve got a static caravan a couple of miles further up the beach. In fact my son’s family are there now. Mersea is a nice place and I am very fond of it.

Not the time to speculate but it was such a calm day yesterday. It is hard to see what could have happened,

Randy Winkman

21,954 posts

217 months

Thursday 23rd July
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StevieBee said:
This looks horrible: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyjpdg5940t

I know this place very well. It feels to me more than a 'caught in the tide' incident which isn't a particularly severe threat there.

Very sad nonetheless.
Very sad. By chance, a very recent episode of BBC's Countryfile was about the island.

Rusty Old-Banger

7,453 posts

241 months

Thursday 23rd July
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RIP, the poor family.

I grew up there, spent many days/nights/weekends on that beach and in those waters, having to wade/swim across from the various islands after getting stuck. A friend's dad was coxswain of the lifeboat, and used to go haywire at us if we ever went anywhere near the sand/mud banks at low tide.

That said, the lifeboat station is very close, less than 2 miles away, and that's a very popular beach, the huts would have been well occupied. Also the whole coast, from off Mersea right up the river towards Colchester, sees a lot of "stuck in the mud" type incidents, and it's common knowledge how to easily free someone - pump/pour/force water down beside their legs (or whatever part is stuck), any of the local responders would know that. That they got in to trouble at 5.30pm, the tide wasn't particularly high (or fast), and the services couldn't get them out, is really strange, and utterly tragic.

dukeboy749r

3,651 posts

238 months

Thursday 23rd July
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It is very sad but an unusual part of the coast to get into trouble. Were it near the bridge across from the mainland (where people water ski and jetski) I could have understood it more.

As I have said, very sad and not what people might expect on a summer's day, in calm conditions (as Rusty Banger mentioned)

JagLover

46,681 posts

263 months

Thursday 23rd July
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They have confirmed it was a Mother and her fifteen year old daughter trying to save a younger child who was part of their group.

One eyewitness said that a man who was on the beach swam out and brought back three people, so sounds like it could have ended up being even worse without him. Though not all of those three may have been saved as at least one was in a bad way.

hondajack85

1,537 posts

27 months

Thursday 23rd July
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Social media feeds dont really work do they? st is peddled into your feed all the time, but your geographical location and browsing should prompt sea/river safety warnings to pop up in the feed. Not some triggering political stuff.
Google,facebook and the rest are st on humanity.

_Rodders_

3,310 posts

47 months

Thursday 23rd July
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They should play drowning videos to every parent and immigrant.

The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.

StevieBee

Original Poster:

15,172 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd July
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_Rodders_ said:
They should play drowning videos to every parent and immigrant.

The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.
A) What is that number and what is the source?

B) Why the need to include reference to 'and immigrants'?

hidetheelephants

35,253 posts

221 months

Friday 24th July
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Roofless Toothless said:
We ve got a static caravan a couple of miles further up the beach. In fact my son s family are there now. Mersea is a nice place and I am very fond of it.

Not the time to speculate but it was such a calm day yesterday. It is hard to see what could have happened,
I visited a long time ago, IIRC the beach is very flat, reminiscent of Morecambe; are there sand banks that you can get trapped on by a rising tide? TV news interviewed a woman describing fast flowing water which doesn't seem like something that would be encountered, except in a tidal gully maybe.

Crumpet

5,304 posts

208 months

Friday 24th July
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StevieBee said:
_Rodders_ said:
They should play drowning videos to every parent and immigrant.

The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.
A) What is that number and what is the source?

B) Why the need to include reference to 'and immigrants'?
A) The only children that sit out the swimming at my children’s school (and a friend has pointed it out at his) are the Asians.

B) A disproportionate number of minorities are involved in drownings, to the point that it’s almost predictable when these things pop up on the news.



Rusty Old-Banger

7,453 posts

241 months

Friday 24th July
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hidetheelephants said:
Roofless Toothless said:
We ve got a static caravan a couple of miles further up the beach. In fact my son s family are there now. Mersea is a nice place and I am very fond of it.

Not the time to speculate but it was such a calm day yesterday. It is hard to see what could have happened,
I visited a long time ago, IIRC the beach is very flat, reminiscent of Morecambe; are there sand banks that you can get trapped on by a rising tide? TV news interviewed a woman describing fast flowing water which doesn't seem like something that would be encountered, except in a tidal gully maybe.
Yeah it's not fast flowing. I've walked around the island, literally every inch of the perimeter, and there is nowhere you would get "trapped" unless you were seriously unaware that tides come in, and go out. I've even rowed a 10-man boat against the tide from west to east when I had an outboard failure. It's not a dangerous place, as far as seaside places go - certainly far more dangerous places on the East coast (Norfolk, Suffolk, Kent).

When the tide goes out there are mud flats, but again, I struggle to think of anything anywhere near Seaview that would cause a problem. You just get a LOT of flat, stony mud. A perfect storm of unaware visitors, no swimming ability, and not realising the danger until it was far, FAR too late. Incredibly sad.

budgie smuggler

6,028 posts

187 months

Friday 24th July
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In the reporting today it says:

"The young boy is said to have become stranded on a sandbank after being cut off by the incoming tide, prompting family members to enter the water in an attempt to rescue him."

Been a while since I've been to that beach at Mersea, is it quite a shallow angle? I've seen kids get cut off on sand banks near Yarmouth and Le Touquet beach before as they're fairly flat, so the tide comes in far quicker than you'd expect.

Awful story though, props to the anonymous chap who went in three times to rescue people.

scenario8

7,807 posts

207 months

Friday 24th July
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Sounds like fairly benign conditions/circumstances from reading the above.

What a tragedy.

Slow.Patrol

5,349 posts

42 months

Friday 24th July
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_Rodders_ said:
The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.
I did the Bronze life saving award when I was at school and subsequently a bit of life guard duty. I saved a couple of people from drowning in one season.

It's amazing the number of parents who seem to think being on holiday means they are also on holiday from supervising their kids. From experience, it's not worth pointing it out either. It can take seconds for a kid to drown and even if they don't drown first time round, there is something called secondary drowning, which is rare, but does still happen.

Somewhatfoolish

5,033 posts

214 months

Friday 24th July
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Slow.Patrol said:
there is something called secondary drowning, which is rare, but does still happen.
Thank you, first I'd heard of this, hope I'll never need the knowledge but you never know.

TriumphStag3.0V8

5,396 posts

109 months

Friday 24th July
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Tragic news for the family and their friends. Had not heard about the guy rescuing 3 other people. Absolute hero.

wisbech

4,140 posts

149 months

Friday 24th July
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StevieBee said:
A) What is that number and what is the source?

B) Why the need to include reference to 'and immigrants'?
It’s the same in Australia. If you grow up there, you go to surfing/ sea classes from an early age, and respect the sea. Drownings are almost always immigrants (including British) or tourists who don’t know how to deal with rips, or think there is no reason to only swim between the flags.

vikingaero

12,969 posts

197 months

Friday 24th July
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StevieBee said:
_Rodders_ said:
They should play drowning videos to every parent and immigrant.

The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.
A) What is that number and what is the source?

B) Why the need to include reference to 'and immigrants'?
It's unfortunate but sometimes certain races are more prone to drowning. It's not being racist, but reasons include lack of opportunities to learn to swim, swimming pools are rare and a sign of luxury, many rivers are seasonal lack of clean lakes/bodies of water etc. It might be common to see say Indians playing/splashing about in water, but it doesn't mean they can swim.

I think there are about 30,000 drownings alone in India each year.

Randy Winkman

21,954 posts

217 months

Friday 24th July
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Crumpet said:
StevieBee said:
_Rodders_ said:
They should play drowning videos to every parent and immigrant.

The number of parents that refuse the free swimming lessons that schools provide is staggering.
A) What is that number and what is the source?

B) Why the need to include reference to 'and immigrants'?
A) The only children that sit out the swimming at my children s school (and a friend has pointed it out at his) are the Asians.

B) A disproportionate number of minorities are involved in drownings, to the point that it s almost predictable when these things pop up on the news.
It's why I'm in favour of positive discrimination to encourage people, especially women and girls to get involved in sports and other outdoor activities. That could even be pretty mainstream stuff like walking in the countryside.