Child refused seatbelt, flight cancelled
Discussion
Anyone else seen this? This would have rather annoyed me if I was on the flight.
(I’m not a parent so probably not the most qualified to comment )
https://news.sky.com/story/flight-cancelled-as-chi...
(I’m not a parent so probably not the most qualified to comment )
https://news.sky.com/story/flight-cancelled-as-chi...
Sheepshanks said:
Some people we know have a 4yr old girl who freaked out to such an extent the plane returned to the gate and they were taken off. The flight did go ahead though.
The problem with this flight is that it was the last flight of the evening and by the time they managed to deal with the unruly passenger, the curfew had started and they couldn't take off. My question is, what were the parents doing? Photo I saw on Reddit this arvo showed the kid standing on the tray table... which means someone had to put the table down for it.
Lots of conflicting views on this:
"They just kept hiding under their seat. If they got forced into being strapped in, they just kind of slid out underneath," a passenger named Aryeh Kozuch told the CBC.
Another passenger said that the process took far longer than it should have. "It took forever," Hillary Hertzberg told the broadcaster. "The kid eventually got off the plane at 11.30pm, so we had been on the flight for almost an hour at that point."
Online, people were sharing their shock and disbelief at the situation.
“How ridiculous is that? Return to the gate, quickly unload the child and parents and leave,” one X user posted.
“The parents should be fined,” another X user posted.
“Parents should have gotten off and forfeited their bags to allow the plane to continue.”
My 2p is that too much time was spent attempting to get the child to sit. Maybe allow 10 mins max to get compliance and then deboard them?
"They just kept hiding under their seat. If they got forced into being strapped in, they just kind of slid out underneath," a passenger named Aryeh Kozuch told the CBC.
Another passenger said that the process took far longer than it should have. "It took forever," Hillary Hertzberg told the broadcaster. "The kid eventually got off the plane at 11.30pm, so we had been on the flight for almost an hour at that point."
Online, people were sharing their shock and disbelief at the situation.
“How ridiculous is that? Return to the gate, quickly unload the child and parents and leave,” one X user posted.
“The parents should be fined,” another X user posted.
“Parents should have gotten off and forfeited their bags to allow the plane to continue.”
My 2p is that too much time was spent attempting to get the child to sit. Maybe allow 10 mins max to get compliance and then deboard them?
As a parent of 4, I am maybe qualified to have an opinion. And it's the same old opinion that our parents would have had. Kids, nowadays, have too much leeway. There are no consequences for bad behaviour. Not instant, painful consequences. If I did something very wrong as a kid, I would have been kicked up and down the hallway. That's not saying it's the correct way, but it did get me in to line very quickly. Now, there is none of that. No smacked bum, swearing is frowned upon, the angriest a parent can get is to threaten "no sweets" or somesuch.
No child is perfect, and all kids have tantrums, it's what they do, it's how they express their emotions. If you have a 4 year old, then there WILL be an occasion when they decide they don't want to do something, and they will dig their heels in. Mostly it's over not wanting to finish a dinner, or not leaving a playpark until they've had another go on the swing, but at some point, it will be about something serious - and they won't understand how serious it is.
Mine? Refused to leave the car when we got on a ferry at 1am (after being delayed 6 hours!!) last year. Ever tried to chase a kid around a 7 seater when there are cars parked an inch off your front and back bumper, and the ferry staff are demanding you sort it RIGHT NOW, and the kid is hysterically tired and determined not to comply with what is in reality a nothingness? People look at you like you're trying to murder him, when all you want to do is sort it all out with the least possible fuss.
These things happen. It's just that one in a thousand time that it affects many other people that makes the news.
And flying seems to increase the impatience and intolerance of people to kids. (I have been there, ready to flip out at a parent of a screaming 3 year old on an overnight to NYC)
No child is perfect, and all kids have tantrums, it's what they do, it's how they express their emotions. If you have a 4 year old, then there WILL be an occasion when they decide they don't want to do something, and they will dig their heels in. Mostly it's over not wanting to finish a dinner, or not leaving a playpark until they've had another go on the swing, but at some point, it will be about something serious - and they won't understand how serious it is.
Mine? Refused to leave the car when we got on a ferry at 1am (after being delayed 6 hours!!) last year. Ever tried to chase a kid around a 7 seater when there are cars parked an inch off your front and back bumper, and the ferry staff are demanding you sort it RIGHT NOW, and the kid is hysterically tired and determined not to comply with what is in reality a nothingness? People look at you like you're trying to murder him, when all you want to do is sort it all out with the least possible fuss.
These things happen. It's just that one in a thousand time that it affects many other people that makes the news.
And flying seems to increase the impatience and intolerance of people to kids. (I have been there, ready to flip out at a parent of a screaming 3 year old on an overnight to NYC)
Very frustrating situation all round. Without being there and knowing the full details its very easy to roll your eyes and blame the parents but as a parent of 2 small boys I can sympathise to a certain extent. It must've been an absolute nightmare to be anywhere near this.
One of my old colleagues posted on FB a week or so ago that one of his boys had a massive panic attack at the gate and refused to board the plane for their holiday. They couldn't board and had to write the holiday off and booked a last minute cottage in Cornwall for the week. I'd imagine it delayed the plane as they had to get the bags out of the hold and it must have cost them thousands with the written off holiday and last minute cottage. Probably not that uncommon.
One of my old colleagues posted on FB a week or so ago that one of his boys had a massive panic attack at the gate and refused to board the plane for their holiday. They couldn't board and had to write the holiday off and booked a last minute cottage in Cornwall for the week. I'd imagine it delayed the plane as they had to get the bags out of the hold and it must have cost them thousands with the written off holiday and last minute cottage. Probably not that uncommon.
This is probably the reason I'm most worried about taking my two little'uns on their first flight. I plan on prepping them in advance and getting themselves hyped up for it rather than making it seem scary.
I sympathise with the parents to some extent. I can't imagine the shame and embarrassment they encountered during that. Probably enough to put them off flying for a long time...
I sympathise with the parents to some extent. I can't imagine the shame and embarrassment they encountered during that. Probably enough to put them off flying for a long time...
Sheepshanks said:
Some people we know have a 4yr old girl who freaked out to such an extent the plane returned to the gate and they were taken off. The flight did go ahead though.
Child had flown multiple times prior and it was completely out of the blue. Dad is a head teacher
Kids sometimes do strange things. My 2 year-old son had been fine in multiple cars and car seats. On a holiday he absolutely freaked out when we tried to put him in the hire car seat. We managed to get away from the airport but had to stop shortly as it was making it hard to drive.Child had flown multiple times prior and it was completely out of the blue. Dad is a head teacher
It was definitely the car or the seat as he was fine once he was outside the car. It was along drive to the villa.
Next day he was fine so no idea what freaked him out.
captain_cynic said:
My question is, what were the parents doing? Photo I saw on Reddit this arvo showed the kid standing on the tray table... which means someone had to put the table down for it.
What do YOU think they were doing? I can guarantee they weren't sitting there staring at their phones ignoring the situation.
On the face of it seeing the Reddit post you just want to give the parents a stern talking to and to take action with the child but if he’s having a meltdown then it’s very difficult to see what you may do differently in that situation.
Kids can be weird and it can happen suddenly without warning even if he’s flown a hundred times before.
Kids can be weird and it can happen suddenly without warning even if he’s flown a hundred times before.
OutInTheShed said:
If your brats are not ready to behave in mass transportation, maybe you shouldn't take these flights and ferries?
Particularly late at night etc?
On the upside, most of the other passengers were probably also t
ts.
The Great British Holidaymaker, school holidays variety.
This incident was in Canada - So there were unlikely to be many GB holidaymakers.Particularly late at night etc?
On the upside, most of the other passengers were probably also t
ts.The Great British Holidaymaker, school holidays variety.
But I do agree that too many adult Brits behave like peasants, whether at home or abroad.
OutInTheShed said:
If your brats are not ready to behave in mass transportation, maybe you shouldn't take these flights and ferries?
You clearly know nothing about children. Even the best behaved child can freak out or have a tantrum, especially in a new and stressful environment when they are tired.Rusty Old-Banger said:
This thread is prime "Spot the parent/non-parent"
Absolutely.Viz 'modern parents' maybe?
It would be much the same if inconsiderate people were allowed to take their bloody dogs on planes.
Maybe part of the problem is the 'holidaying abroad' middle classes don't do public transport the rest of the year?
You sit them between you, strap them in, and put a firm hand on the top of each thigh for as long as it takes to get airborne and for the seatbelt light to go off. Whisper calming little songs if you like, for all the difference it'll make.
Then you do a little tour up and down the aisle apologising to everyone for the screaming ab-dabs your little-un just subjected them to.
The alternative is this something like this story happens and everyone ends up a lot worse-off.
Then you do a little tour up and down the aisle apologising to everyone for the screaming ab-dabs your little-un just subjected them to.
The alternative is this something like this story happens and everyone ends up a lot worse-off.
I find this beleivable.
My son (8) has severe Autism and learning dificulties hes registered disabled .
His meltdowns are a bit......mental.
Mates/family dont really understand until they see a full meltdown and then they are in shock.
Being punched by him and told he wants you to die is always fun, then he attacks himself which is worse.
No amount of boundaries / neurotypical parenting will help helps at times.
We just dont fly for this reason, although I think he would probably be fine and come across sweet and cute to fellow passengers as he is a handsome & charming git ...until the minute he isnt. He does love the ferry, busses and car journeys though.
My son (8) has severe Autism and learning dificulties hes registered disabled .
His meltdowns are a bit......mental.
Mates/family dont really understand until they see a full meltdown and then they are in shock.
Being punched by him and told he wants you to die is always fun, then he attacks himself which is worse.
No amount of boundaries / neurotypical parenting will help helps at times.
We just dont fly for this reason, although I think he would probably be fine and come across sweet and cute to fellow passengers as he is a handsome & charming git ...until the minute he isnt. He does love the ferry, busses and car journeys though.
Rusty Old-Banger said:
captain_cynic said:
My question is, what were the parents doing? Photo I saw on Reddit this arvo showed the kid standing on the tray table... which means someone had to put the table down for it.
What do YOU think they were doing? I can guarantee they weren't sitting there staring at their phones ignoring the situation.
Why do parents think having had a child gives you immunity.
Maybe if you can't get your kid to sit still... you shouldn't be taking them on a flight?
What about the other 129 people on that flight? You're essentially saying they have to have their flights delayed (and all the hassle that comes with it) so that parents shouldn't be held *gasp* responsible.
This thread is prime "spot the entitled parent".
Rusty Old-Banger said:
As a parent of 4, I am maybe qualified to have an opinion. And it's the same old opinion that our parents would have had. Kids, nowadays, have too much leeway. There are no consequences for bad behaviour. Not instant, painful consequences. If I did something very wrong as a kid, I would have been kicked up and down the hallway. That's not saying it's the correct way, but it did get me in to line very quickly. Now, there is none of that. No smacked bum, swearing is frowned upon, the angriest a parent can get is to threaten "no sweets" or somesuch.
No child is perfect, and all kids have tantrums, it's what they do, it's how they express their emotions. If you have a 4 year old, then there WILL be an occasion when they decide they don't want to do something, and they will dig their heels in. Mostly it's over not wanting to finish a dinner, or not leaving a playpark until they've had another go on the swing, but at some point, it will be about something serious - and they won't understand how serious it is.
Mine? Refused to leave the car when we got on a ferry at 1am (after being delayed 6 hours!!) last year. Ever tried to chase a kid around a 7 seater when there are cars parked an inch off your front and back bumper, and the ferry staff are demanding you sort it RIGHT NOW, and the kid is hysterically tired and determined not to comply with what is in reality a nothingness? People look at you like you're trying to murder him, when all you want to do is sort it all out with the least possible fuss.
These things happen. It's just that one in a thousand time that it affects many other people that makes the news.
And flying seems to increase the impatience and intolerance of people to kids. (I have been there, ready to flip out at a parent of a screaming 3 year old on an overnight to NYC)
This. Just one of those things and mostly related to the timing of the flight. No child is perfect, and all kids have tantrums, it's what they do, it's how they express their emotions. If you have a 4 year old, then there WILL be an occasion when they decide they don't want to do something, and they will dig their heels in. Mostly it's over not wanting to finish a dinner, or not leaving a playpark until they've had another go on the swing, but at some point, it will be about something serious - and they won't understand how serious it is.
Mine? Refused to leave the car when we got on a ferry at 1am (after being delayed 6 hours!!) last year. Ever tried to chase a kid around a 7 seater when there are cars parked an inch off your front and back bumper, and the ferry staff are demanding you sort it RIGHT NOW, and the kid is hysterically tired and determined not to comply with what is in reality a nothingness? People look at you like you're trying to murder him, when all you want to do is sort it all out with the least possible fuss.
These things happen. It's just that one in a thousand time that it affects many other people that makes the news.
And flying seems to increase the impatience and intolerance of people to kids. (I have been there, ready to flip out at a parent of a screaming 3 year old on an overnight to NYC)
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