One stolen every 4 mins. Car theft up 50% in last decade
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqpvgyz30zepo
It was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
It was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
STe_rsv4 said:
Yep. few high end cars gone missing my way in the last few weeks. RS3, M135 etc.
All the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
"Neighbour" (well 2 streets away) had this done a few months ago. Literally burnt through the patio doors at the rear of the house, got in and grabbed keys and drove off in a relatively new Audi RS3. Surprisingly nobody heard anything in the street and all occupants in the house slept through it. All the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
The question that seems to be avoided is what are the manufacturers doing about vehicle security because this is getting back to the 90s level of activity
Dog Biscuit said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqpvgyz30zepo
It was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
Couple of mates who are cops and this is proper organised crime. Apparently the crime gangs recruit "spotters" in areas who identify/find the vehicles and report them to gangs who travel from outside the area. Hammer that area for a little bit and then move onIt was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 14th October 10:12
pavarotti1980 said:
STe_rsv4 said:
Yep. few high end cars gone missing my way in the last few weeks. RS3, M135 etc.
All the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
"Neighbour" (well 2 streets away) had this done a few months ago. Literally burnt through the patio doors at the rear of the house, got in and grabbed keys and drove off in a relatively new Audi RS3. Surprisingly nobody heard anything in the street and all occupants in the house slept through it. All the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
The question that seems to be avoided is what are the manufacturers doing about vehicle security because this is getting back to the 90s level of activity
Dog Biscuit said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqpvgyz30zepo
It was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
Couple of mates who are cops and this is proper organised crime. Apparently the crime gangs recruit "spotters" in areas who identify/find the vehicles and report them to gangs who travel from outside the area. Hammer that area for a little bit and then move onIt was rife when I was a lad - Radio theft, allys being knicked, cars stolen and becoming 'ringers'
All seems very recreational now compared to the big business theft orders and shipping of cars. Very organised.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 14th October 10:12
Up to the owners a bit as well, review your home security and make changes if you have a car that is desirable to thieves.
I wouldn't maybe buy an RS3 if I was near Birmingham either, probably a given it will be targeted due to who it is desirable to in areas like that, if you see them being hammered about s
tholes full of chicken and vape shops, then its on the must nick list.
I wouldn't maybe buy an RS3 if I was near Birmingham either, probably a given it will be targeted due to who it is desirable to in areas like that, if you see them being hammered about s
tholes full of chicken and vape shops, then its on the must nick list. J4CKO said:
Up to the owners a bit as well, review your home security and make changes if you have a car that is desirable to thieves.
I wouldn't maybe buy an RS3 if I was near Birmingham either, probably a given it will be targeted due to who it is desirable to in areas like that, if you see them being hammered about stholes full of chicken and vape shops, then its on the must nick list.
Years ago, my friend's dad had his Impreza nicked to be used in a bank job and that was in the deep dark Cotswolds. According to the Police, they'd probably been scoping it out for a whileI wouldn't maybe buy an RS3 if I was near Birmingham either, probably a given it will be targeted due to who it is desirable to in areas like that, if you see them being hammered about s
tholes full of chicken and vape shops, then its on the must nick list. It's good business for the criminals. Steal a load of cars in the knowledge that the police are under-resourced or not prioritised to deal with it. In the unlikely event it's got a tracker there will probably be more discussion around whether the police have the right to force entry than recovering a vehicle.
And once the cars been recovered and someones been arrested driving it, or taking at apart, they'll be released due to lack of evidence.
Yes the glass is rather half empty with me today.
And once the cars been recovered and someones been arrested driving it, or taking at apart, they'll be released due to lack of evidence.
Yes the glass is rather half empty with me today.
Pachydermus said:
what exactly do you think manufacturers can do to stop the crims breaking into houses and stealing the keys?
That part, not so much - as virtually any plausible security for a car can be over come by intimidating the owner. However - the lady who said it took thieves 35 seconds to break in and drive away in her BMW must surely be entitled to wonder why BMW security is so easy to pass.
I would think self destruct mechanisms would be a good deterrant. Once the car is stolen the owner can remote key the self destruct system and blow it, and all occupants into millions of pieces.
I see no possible downsides to this approach.
Gargamel said:
Pachydermus said:
what exactly do you think manufacturers can do to stop the crims breaking into houses and stealing the keys?
That part, not so much - as virtually any plausible security for a car can be over come by intimidating the owner. However - the lady who said it took thieves 35 seconds to break in and drive away in her BMW must surely be entitled to wonder why BMW security is so easy to pass.
I would think self destruct mechanisms would be a good deterrant. Once the car is stolen the owner can remote key the self destruct system and blow it, and all occupants into millions of pieces.
I see no possible downsides to this approach.
If you make cars harder to steal you may stop some casual thefts but it sounds like these gangs aren't too afraid of using violence to get keys. I'd rather they just take the car than be woken up by someone waving a weapon in my face.
Gargamel said:
That part, not so much - as virtually any plausible security for a car can be over come by intimidating the owner.
However - the lady who said it took thieves 35 seconds to break in and drive away in her BMW must surely be entitled to wonder why BMW security is so easy to pass.
I would think self destruct mechanisms would be a good deterrant. Once the car is stolen the owner can remote key the self destruct system and blow it, and all occupants into millions of pieces.
I see no possible downsides to this approach.
I agree, but you don't even have to go that farHowever - the lady who said it took thieves 35 seconds to break in and drive away in her BMW must surely be entitled to wonder why BMW security is so easy to pass.
I would think self destruct mechanisms would be a good deterrant. Once the car is stolen the owner can remote key the self destruct system and blow it, and all occupants into millions of pieces.
I see no possible downsides to this approach.
Everytime I get into my mums Q3, the screen starts saying 'checking remote access rights'. Once the cars been reported stolen why can't the 'access rights' simply immobilise the car?
STe_rsv4 said:
Yep. few high end cars gone missing my way in the last few weeks. RS3, M135 etc.
All the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
Integration, tip of the icebergAll the same MO - locks burned off the house doors so the keys can be taken. This isn't your everyday car thief taking them.
https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2...
pavarotti1980 said:
Pachydermus said:
what exactly do you think manufacturers can do to stop the crims breaking into houses and stealing the keys?
Not necessarily the breaking into house but keyless entry is a bit of a problem. Do other manufacturers apart from Tesla implement a PIN lock?
Seems stupid that a £30 tablet will have a PIN lock yet £30k+ cars don't.
My relatives had their Ionic 5 stolen last month, the thieves took it in under a minute despite the keys being in a Faraday pouch and having a steering wheel lock.
First they knew of it being stolen was when the Hyundai app said that the Blue link had been disconnected, imo that should require a password or 2fa to do from the cars touchscreen.
Cars now been recovered by the police after being found in a lockup but unfortunately has already been stripped completely.
Seems stupid that a £30 tablet will have a PIN lock yet £30k+ cars don't.
My relatives had their Ionic 5 stolen last month, the thieves took it in under a minute despite the keys being in a Faraday pouch and having a steering wheel lock.
First they knew of it being stolen was when the Hyundai app said that the Blue link had been disconnected, imo that should require a password or 2fa to do from the cars touchscreen.
Cars now been recovered by the police after being found in a lockup but unfortunately has already been stripped completely.
lornemalvo said:
In terms of stealing the cars without house breaking, it is unforgiveable how easy Toyotas and Lexus are to steal via the canbus system (also the pretty pathetic response from Lexus). This is the sole reason I bought a new Volvo and not a new Lexus.
Add Alfa to that list.Relay theft though I'd guess and most manufacturers are now wise to it along with 3rd party security such as Ghost.
Must be on the way back down again.
As for why do people bother then from the article "Despite a recent drop, vehicle thefts are up almost 50% in England and Wales compared with a decade ago, according to Home Office data. Last year, just 3% of vehicle theft offences resulted in a charge or summons."
TX.
Must be on the way back down again.
As for why do people bother then from the article "Despite a recent drop, vehicle thefts are up almost 50% in England and Wales compared with a decade ago, according to Home Office data. Last year, just 3% of vehicle theft offences resulted in a charge or summons."
TX.
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