Terror Plot Suspects to be Deported?

[johnnywb]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Your talking about the UK here, what do you expect.

[rich1231]

Easier to deport, than prove they were about to be very bad people in a court.

[AndrewW-G]

johnnywb said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

No we should be sending them to the gallows, ridding two countries of a problem rather than just moving it around and somewhere down the line apologising for it and buying the "victims" who were deported a council house and a nice big pension

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 21st April 22:49

[XitUp]

AndrewW-G said:

johnnywb said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

No we should be sending them to the gallows, riding two countries of a problem rather than just moving it around and somewhere down the line appologising for it and buying the "victims" who were deported a council house and a nice big pension

Even though they have not been convicted of anything?
Interesting...

[AndrewW-G]

XitUp said:

AndrewW-G said:

johnnywb said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

No we should be sending them to the gallows, riding two countries of a problem rather than just moving it around and somewhere down the line appologising for it and buying the "victims" who were deported a council house and a nice big pension

Even though they have not been convicted of anything?
Interesting...

Dear Mr Labour party member / troll, please let me appologise for the lack of detail in my post. To clarify matters, I would expect the proposed "victims" to be subject to the full rigours of the English justice system, then if found guilty sent to the gallows.

[jazzybee]

Most likely being deported because they could not find any evidence.... again.

[skwdenyer]

johnnywb said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

On what basis are they being deported? "No smoke without fire" or somesuch nonsense? Either charge them (if there's an offence) or release them (if there isn't).

This sort of thing just continues to stoke up the climate of "fear".

[Raja]

i really hope they charge these guys. deporting them means that there was no evidence and makes it easier for genuine cells to hide in Muslim communities that increasingly feel more victimised after another dodgy terror raid and speculation of attacks in the public domain.

i don't envy the role of the police, but from where i'm watching this, it seems that there are certain elements within the Muslim communities that can't wait for this to be another false alert thus giving them more ammunition to confront the very people who i genuinely believe are trying to protect us all. the dilemma is that we need both the police and the communities to work together and if this is a false raid then it increases the divide and as far as i'm concerned makes it easier for terrorists to hide in our communities.

[johnnywb]

skwdenyer said:

johnnywb said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011341.stm

Have i missed something? If they're a threat to national security, would we not be better locking them up rather then sending them overseas to have another go?!

On what basis are they being deported? "No smoke without fire" or somesuch nonsense? Either charge them (if there's an offence) or release them (if there isn't).

This sort of thing just continues to stoke up the climate of "fear".

On the basis the CPS have probably laughed the Police out of the office. Ridiculous.

[XitUp]

Has a post of mine gone missing?

AndrewW-G said:

Dear Mr Labour party member / troll, please let me appologise for the lack of detail in my post. To clarify matters, I would expect the proposed "victims" to be subject to the full rigours of the English justice system, then if found guilty sent to the gallows.

1. I've never voted Labour.
2. Disagreeing with you does not make someone a troll. You are not the King Of The Internet.
3. Hanging terror suspects will only make martyrs of them, making it easier for extremists to recruit.
4. Next time you make a post saying you want people to be killed you should make it more clear that you don't want it to happen just becuase someone said they were nasty. It will help you look like less of a knee jerk idiot. x

Edited by XitUp on Tuesday 21st April 23:30

[Fittster]

rich1231 said:

Easier to deport, than prove they were about to be very bad people in a court.

Easier to deport than admit the police and security services don't have a clue.

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

XitUp said:

Has a post of mine gone missing?

Yes. Do not defeat the swear filter. You were mailed but that obviously hasn't arrived.

[jazzybee]

Raja said:

i really hope they charge these guys. deporting them means that there was no evidence and makes it easier for genuine cells to hide in Muslim communities that increasingly feel more victimised after another dodgy terror raid and speculation of attacks in the public domain.

i don't envy the role of the police, but from where i'm watching this, it seems that there are certain elements within the Muslim communities that can't wait for this to be another false alert thus giving them more ammunition to confront the very people who i genuinely believe are trying to protect us all. the dilemma is that we need both the police and the communities to work together and if this is a false raid then it increases the divide and as far as i'm concerned makes it easier for terrorists to hide in our communities.

I don't know if this is the case, as I don't live in a 'muslim community' but after the hundreds of thousands stopped or detained under the anti terror laws, many hundreds arrested, so publicly - pitifully few have been convicted and that does worry me. In the same way we went to war in Iraq based on false evidence, I fear there is something sinister underlying these actions and desperately hope I am wrong. I have no problem with terrorists being prisoned - for life - or illegal immigrants being deported however, I am getting wary of government and police competence and increasingly, motives.

[XitUp]

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

XitUp said:

Has a post of mine gone missing?

Yes. Do not defeat the swear filter. You were mailed but that obviously hasn't arrived.

Fair enough.
Not checked my emails in a while.

[AndrewW-G]

XitUp said:

Has a post of mine gone missing?

AndrewW-G said:

Dear Mr Labour party member / troll, please let me appologise for the lack of detail in my post. To clarify matters, I would expect the proposed "victims" to be subject to the full rigours of the English justice system, then if found guilty sent to the gallows.

1. I've never voted Labour.
2. Disagreeing with you does not make someone a troll. You are not the King Of The Internet.
3. Hanging terror suspects will only make martyrs of them, making it easier for extremists to recruit.
4. Next time you make a post saying you want people to be killed you should make it more clear that you don't want it to happen just becuase someone said they were nasty. It will help you look like less of a knee jerk idiot. x

Edited by XitUp on Tuesday 21st April 23:30

1. your post's this evening would suggest otherwise, the labour party have a documented history of responding to or seeding stories via the internet. my apologies if this isnt the case
2. Your post's on PH this evening would suggest that you are arguing for effect rather than out of belief, picking at the details and minutia of people’s posts are as I'm sure you will agree classic signs of troll behaviour
3. your correct it would make them martyrs, however it would also send a message that the UK is taking terrorist threats seriously (instead of using it as an opportunity to bugger up everybody else's freedom) IMHO it is one thing to be seen as a quiet man with a big stick, it’s another to be seen as a quiet man with a big stick that he'll never use
4. I'm terribly sorry I didn’t go into elaborate detail of how somebody accused of terrorism would journey through the legal system prior to sentencing, however you would have to be a complete and utter tit to think that somebody would be hanged without due process being followed...................

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 21st April 23:49

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 21st April 23:49

[XitUp]

AndrewW-G said:

1. your post's this evening would suggest otherwise, the labour party have a documented history of responding to or seeding stories via the internet. my apologies if this isnt the case
2. Your post's on PH this evening would suggest that you are arguing for effect rather than out of belief, picking at the details and minutia of people’s posts are as I'm sure you will agree classic signs of troll behaviour
3. your correct it would make them martyrs, however it would also send a message that the UK is taking terrorist threats seriously (instead of using it as an opportunity to bugger up everybody else's freedom) IMHO it is one thing to be seen as a quiet man with a big stick, it’s another to be seen as a quiet man with a big stick that he'll never use
4. I'm terribly sorry I didn’t go into elaborate detail of how somebody accused of terrorism would journey through the legal system prior to sentencing, however you would have to be a complete and utter tit to think that somebody would be hanged without due process being followed...................

1. I'm sure they do. I'm not sure what this has to do with me though...
2. If the details are wrong I will pick at them. If the overall post is wrong I will pick at it.
3. Showing that we are willing to kill terrorists will not put others off. It's quite hard to threaten people who are willing to die for their cause.
4. You would indeed. Sorry to say it but I've come accross plenty of utter tits and you seemed to be one from your first post. I'm glad to see you're not.

[Raja]

jazzybee said:

Raja said:

i really hope they charge these guys. deporting them means that there was no evidence and makes it easier for genuine cells to hide in Muslim communities that increasingly feel more victimised after another dodgy terror raid and speculation of attacks in the public domain.

i don't envy the role of the police, but from where i'm watching this, it seems that there are certain elements within the Muslim communities that can't wait for this to be another false alert thus giving them more ammunition to confront the very people who i genuinely believe are trying to protect us all. the dilemma is that we need both the police and the communities to work together and if this is a false raid then it increases the divide and as far as i'm concerned makes it easier for terrorists to hide in our communities.

I don't know if this is the case, as I don't live in a 'muslim community' but after the hundreds of thousands stopped or detained under the anti terror laws, many hundreds arrested, so publicly - pitifully few have been convicted and that does worry me. In the same way we went to war in Iraq based on false evidence, I fear there is something sinister underlying these actions and desperately hope I am wrong. I have no problem with terrorists being prisoned - for life - or illegal immigrants being deported however, I am getting wary of government and police competence and increasingly, motives.

the motives bit is increasingly worrying me also. surely after 7/7 the threat is real so there is no need to keep it high profile through terror raids more often than not end up being false. is it incompetence, poor intelligence, victimisation or about control?

[skwdenyer]

Raja said:

jazzybee said:

Raja said:

i really hope they charge these guys. deporting them means that there was no evidence and makes it easier for genuine cells to hide in Muslim communities that increasingly feel more victimised after another dodgy terror raid and speculation of attacks in the public domain.

i don't envy the role of the police, but from where i'm watching this, it seems that there are certain elements within the Muslim communities that can't wait for this to be another false alert thus giving them more ammunition to confront the very people who i genuinely believe are trying to protect us all. the dilemma is that we need both the police and the communities to work together and if this is a false raid then it increases the divide and as far as i'm concerned makes it easier for terrorists to hide in our communities.

I don't know if this is the case, as I don't live in a 'muslim community' but after the hundreds of thousands stopped or detained under the anti terror laws, many hundreds arrested, so publicly - pitifully few have been convicted and that does worry me. In the same way we went to war in Iraq based on false evidence, I fear there is something sinister underlying these actions and desperately hope I am wrong. I have no problem with terrorists being prisoned - for life - or illegal immigrants being deported however, I am getting wary of government and police competence and increasingly, motives.

the motives bit is increasingly worrying me also. surely after 7/7 the threat is real so there is no need to keep it high profile through terror raids more often than not end up being false. is it incompetence, poor intelligence, victimisation or about control?

The "threat" is rather less than being killed in your car each day you drive. It may be "terrible" to think about, but so is spending 5 minutes watching images of car crash victims.

The "threat" is therefore massively over-stated.

[chris watton]

I just heard that all of them have been released without any charges!

So was this yet another smoke screen non story fuelled by Labour propaganda for the benefit of deflecting the media away from other 'issues'?